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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Kress View Post
    People almost always ask about the food first because a lot of times it is food that causes allergy issues. However if your certain it’s not food
    There is a shot that many dogs get for allergy type issues

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    I have had two vets tell me that allergies are almost always NOT food related, especially when it has to do with skin related issues like itchiness, bumps, etc. Everyone WANTS to believe it's food related because that is such a "thing" right now, but the vets just tell me that is not normally the case. One vet said if the dogs issues are with his/her "ears and rears" then they might suspect food allergies. But if it's more skin related then they feel it is USUALLY not a food caused allergies (but of course this is not ALWAYS the case...but he certainly felt it was usually the cause).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrman View Post
    By chance is this Dr. Keller from UWM?

    Regardless I have a couple more questions for you. If the root cause was mites, sarcoptes scabiei?, why would the antihistamine/corticosteriod suppress they clinical signs?
    Additionally, what would you be suspect of for the flare up after being in the grass all day on saturday?
    Im curious on your thoughts related to these.
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    Antihistamine helps stop the itching. Steroids calm the immune reaction to the allergen but there still is an underlying cause. Immunology is not easy to understand. Long time ago I worked for an Allergist in research. He told me rarely are allergies black and white. You can have one problem and get along ok but add a couple more and it becomes much worse. As an infant my son broke out in a rash in August when he ate watermelon and was on a wool rug. It happened 2 years in a row but never in any other month. He outgrew it and your pup may also. You may have to do some experimenting. I agree with the adding the fish oil to build up his immune system. If none of his littermates had it, or the parents, it is probably not the breeding. Some individuals are just born with an immature immune system. They seem to have much better drugs than they did 15 years ago so look at those options. Food can still fit into the picture by being a component to the reaction. The idea is to try and keep them from being in the hypersensitive state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErinsEdge View Post
    No, a Vet in Iowa.

    Antihistamine helps stop the itching. Steroids calm the immune reaction to the allergen but there still is an underlying cause. Immunology is not easy to understand. Long time ago I worked for an Allergist in research. He told me rarely are allergies black and white. You can have one problem and get along ok but add a couple more and it becomes much worse. As an infant my son broke out in a rash in August when he ate watermelon and was on a wool rug. It happened 2 years in a row but never in any other month. He outgrew it and your pup may also. You may have to do some experimenting. I agree with the adding the fish oil to build up his immune system. If none of his littermates had it, or the parents, it is probably not the breeding. Some individuals are just born with an immature immune system. They seem to have much better drugs than they did 15 years ago so look at those options. Food can still fit into the picture by being a component to the reaction. The idea is to try and keep them from being in the hypersensitive state.
    The way my vet explained it it was like having a pocket full of change, you may have 2 quarters, a dime and a penny but until you reach one dollar there were no clinical signs. likewise if you have 3 quarters 7 dimes and 75 pennies you have more than a dollar and thus clinical signs but none of the individual currencies makes one dollar and thus can't individually cause the problem. is this a correct analogy?

    so if this was your case what would you recommend as the next step?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrman View Post
    The way my vet explained it it was like having a pocket full of change, you may have 2 quarters, a dime and a penny but until you reach one dollar there were no clinical signs. likewise if you have 3 quarters 7 dimes and 75 pennies you have more than a dollar and thus clinical signs but none of the individual currencies makes one dollar and thus can't individually cause the problem. is this a correct analogy?

    so if this was your case what would you recommend as the next step?
    Yes that's correct.

    I would get him on fish oil, I use one high in DHA. https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Burp...ega+3+fish+oil
    You said he is 4 months and he has already been on Temaril P for 1 1/2 months so he must have started this right when you got him? The only problem I have heard that young is mites
    I don't have experience with any dogs that young with allergies or with any of those drugs that have been mentioned. If it were me I would put him on Revolution for the summer, keep him on the Temaril P, and keep bathing him and see what happens and try to get him through the summer. You can try ProPlan Sensitive skin. If you get no resolution or it gets much worse you may have to go to those drugs that were mentioned.
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    I probably should keep my mouth shut but oh well I think what swliszka was trying to say (sorry swliska if I get this wrong) is that many breeders continue to breed dogs that have no business being bred. My dog has severe allergies and what my vet explained to me is that while my dog is allergic to abcde he might not pass that on but he will certainly pass on the trait for the pups to be allergic to things. Thus quit breeding the darn things!!! Good luck.....I wish you all the best....it is a very frustrating thing to deal with. My dog is halfway through shots specifically made for him and it has helped....but not 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErinsEdge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mrman View Post
    The way my vet explained it it was like having a pocket full of change, you may have 2 quarters, a dime and a penny but until you reach one dollar there were no clinical signs. likewise if you have 3 quarters 7 dimes and 75 pennies you have more than a dollar and thus clinical signs but none of the individual currencies makes one dollar and thus can't individually cause the problem. is this a correct analogy?

    so if this was your case what would you recommend as the next step?
    Yes that's correct.

    I would get him on fish oil, I use one high in DHA. https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Burp...ega+3+fish+oil
    You said he is 4 months and he has already been on Temaril P for 1 1/2 months so he must have started this right when you got him? The only problem I have heard that young is mites
    I don't have experience with any dogs that young with allergies or with any of those drugs that have been mentioned. If it were me I would put him on Revolution for the summer, keep him on the Temaril P, and keep bathing him and see what happens and try to get him through the summer. You can try ProPlan Sensitive skin. If you get no resolution or it gets much worse you may have to go to those drugs that were mentioned.
    He was on one regiment of temaril p I think for like 15-20 days. Maybe a month and a half was an exaggeration but yes I have had him since birth and he developed the symptoms about 3 months old, probably 10 weeks old. He’s been on free form which is an EPA/DHA supplement since then. I’ll mention it to her about revo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Doug View Post
    I probably should keep my mouth shut but oh well [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif[/IMG] I think what swliszka was trying to say (sorry swliska if I get this wrong) is that many breeders continue to breed dogs that have no business being bred. My dog has severe allergies and what my vet explained to me is that while my dog is allergic to abcde he might not pass that on but he will certainly pass on the trait for the pups to be allergic to things. Thus quit breeding the darn things!!! Good luck.....I wish you all the best....it is a very frustrating thing to deal with. My dog is halfway through shots specifically made for him and it has helped....but not 100%.
    And how does he know anything about the breeding or the breeder?
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    The tendency to be allergic is absolutely genetic... plus or minus environmental factors... It's an immune system malfunction (inappropriate response to normal antigens). It's on my list of questions (along with cruciates) to ask stud dog owners or breeders.
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    mrman I learned the hard way in 1977. It was genetic. The science was less evolved but have you ever bred animals and culled? Lots to learn and different schools of thought and action. A Public Forum is a potpouri.I suggest you restrain your comments and question the breeder of your pup ..sire and dam and other pups.

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    Not all allergies are genetic but I personally will not breed a dog with grass allergies. I have one that is extremely well bred. Chopper gr daughter, Lottie grt gr daughter etc. Spade. Tried Apoquel and worked for a while and then had skin infections. Cytopoint working very well. I did research when it was still experimental. Different mode in not being an immuno suppressor. May need to go to a specialist. Each dog is different.
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