Originally Posted by DarrinGreene
Thanks for your post Darrin. Every time you post I get excited and read right away just so I can tell you how stupid your post is. Been fighting with the ex wife so I am primed for a fight.. Jes kiddin sort of. I do look for your posts because for some reason I find it entertaining to reply to your posts and also you seem to have pretty thick skin and take it well so I can tell you your stupid and not get into a big fight. Just so you and everybody else knows if I call you stupid I do in fun. I would probably not do this to anyone else on the forum so actually Darrin consider yourself special.
With that being said here is my serious response. I understand and agree with your theories but don't agree with your methods. I would not stop running blinds. I would keep running blinds and work through the problem. I rarely find it productive with dogs or myself in any part of life to avoid a problem.
I think the original poster knows where he went wrong so I will not harp on that. DO NOT AVOID THE PROBLEM BUT AVOID WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM. Identifying the problem is the first step and I think that has been done so now he needs to figure out how to work through it by avoiding what has caused the problem in the first place. This can be a long road. I agree he needs to up the dogs attitude and make thing fun again. I absolutely hate the idea of a treats in my pocket. I do agree that a reward should be given anytime a correction is made but not a treat just praise but I would go very light on corrections. I think this dog has not understood what the corrections were for so he needs to back up and be careful and gradually work back into that. Seems we agree on that sentence just worded different.
You predicted it so I will say it. I don't like you looking up at you all the time. In your video the dog easily remembers the ball after your OB drill with the other ball but it is only a short distance not a great feat. I totally agree that the dog needs to be aware of you at all times and that is a huge part of teaching basics but I do not agree that he has to have his eyes focused on you to do that. It's a progression from the start and you need to be very thorough with ob and basics. If done right, let me correct that, there is no right or wrong way but lets just say thoroughly you can have the focus on you with out the distraction of treats or clickers. To me they are just unnecessary. Running FT is so unbelievably hard at the AA level and is very much a team sport and the dog MUST be under control have focus on you but at the same time focus in the field. It MUST be a mutual trust between dog and handler. When leaving the holding blind I want the dog figuring out the test on the way to the line but he still needs to remember it is a team sport. This does not happen over night and is a life long project. It is actually extremely easy to teach a dog how to do something. The trick is to set a standard and hold it until it becomes HABIT. There will always be issues pop up and you can never avoid problem and you need to try hard not to do something you have to fix. I still sometime cause my own problems but not as much and as severely as I used to. I now see it happening and realize sooner I need to change my course. Overall Darrin we don't disagree here. I just think things can and should be accomplished without the bribery or distraction of things like treats, it's just not necessary. Sure you can get the dogs attention pretty quick with a treat but treats are not part of the game. Just teach them what you want, it is possible without treats! All of this is easily said but hard to do and that is where the quality of the dog comes in. The ones that are smart enough to do all of this and do it well and be consistent at the AA level are very rare.