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    This game is extremely difficult as it is and it is not all that inexpensive to play. Please judge the dogs but more importantly, BE FAIR TO THE DOG.

    A quad with an out of order flyer is tough but fair. A flyer that hooks and flies directly at the line, continues to hook, is shot dead and lands directly inline with the mat, 3-5 yards from the crates is NOT FAIR.

    I would consider this eliminating a dog rather than judging the dog fairly.

    Sorry but I had to vent. Being witness so often to stupid stuff like this will push a guys buttons.

    To the Admins, please notice names were not given nor was a location. This is meant to be no more than a wake up call to those of us who have upcoming AA assignments. Please do the right thing for the dogs sake.
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    This is why judges need to learn how to train dog. If these two Judges did they would have a understanding on how the fall would effect the dog in a negative way.
    Should have been a no bird!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    This is why judges need to learn how to train dog. If these two Judges did they would have a understanding on how the fall would effect the dog in a negative way.
    Should have been a no bird!
    Unfortunately these were 2 very experienced judges. The old guard don't always adhere to common sense at times no more than a newbie.
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    Don't confuse longetivity in the sport with having trained a dog to a competitive level.
    Unfortunately, this a reality of our sport. My advice to you, become a judge so it doesn't happen to someone else in the future

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    I think what you observed occurs in big trials - and small ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    This game is extremely difficult as it is and it is not all that inexpensive to play. Please judge the dogs but more importantly, BE FAIR TO THE DOG.

    A quad with an out of order flyer is tough but fair. A flyer that hooks and flies directly at the line, continues to hook, is shot dead and lands directly inline with the mat, 3-5 yards from the crates is NOT FAIR.

    I would consider this eliminating a dog rather than judging the dog fairly.

    Sorry but I had to vent. Being witness so often to stupid stuff like this will push a guys buttons.

    To the Admins, please notice names were not given nor was a location. This is meant to be no more than a wake up call to those of us who have upcoming AA assignments. Please do the right thing for the dogs sake.
    When the flight of the flier or the failure of the guns to connect is obvious the judges should immediately call no bird to prevent the dog from seeing the fall. The no bird flier is always more impressive to the dog than the one seen most recently.

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    In the old days when a shot flyer off the line was quite common a bird ended up within 6 inches of the honor dog who
    after some hesitiation reached down & picked it up. Dog was dropped, FT committee was requested & convened & came
    to the conclusion it was the judges right to drop the dog. Committee convinced the judges the test was unfair & the dog
    was allowed to continue.

    Both those judges went on to judge a national. They were among the many that I would not drive 30 miles to run in a
    trial they judged. One trained their own dogs, the other did not. Training your own dogs & being your own mentor many
    times creates a bad/biased result.
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    What do large AA entries have to do with poor judgment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Littlejohn View Post
    What do large AA entries have to do with poor judgment?
    I think he was implying the judges used that bit of bad luck as an opportunity to drop a dog, and cut the number by one more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
    I think he was implying the judges used that bit of bad luck as an opportunity to drop a dog, and cut the number by one more.
    You are correct sir.
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