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    Thought I would ask the experts, whats the purpose of the flyer on the first series and any good tips for running it besides just practice doing it during training. Thanks for all the help I read here you guys post up that you might not even realize helps people

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    At a minimum it tests focus, steadiness, marking and bird handling. It also presents an opportunity to demonstrate style and use of the nose. Advanced training should include shooting live flyers as much as possible.

    I don't consider myself an expert but like so often answered anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryWilliams View Post
    At a minimum it tests focus, steadiness, marking and bird handling. It also presents an opportunity to demonstrate style and use of the nose. Advanced training should include shooting live flyers as much as possible.

    I don't consider myself an expert but like so often answered anyway.
    Great answer. More expert than most RTF posters.

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    Generally the flyer in the first series isn't a hard or tough bird to retrieve but can be a booger to get the young dog to look past and key in on the longer memory bird. Most times the flyer station is closer in and manned by two and sometimes three gunners. A young dog will have no trouble locating the flyer station and sometimes can become fixated on it. Where your training comes in, is getting the pup to work with you and locate the long gun and stay focused on the long gun as the marks are thrown.
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    Thanks for the replies, I never thought about the judges watching how a derby dogs carries a bird shot from the flyer station and I certainly know its harder to get the dog focused on the long memory bird after a short flyer, In my case I wish they shot it at 150-200 yards lol. My dog is young so I am just looking for tips.

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    Maybe you should consider Junior Hunt Test. Derby in today’s world is not a beginner stake. These young dogs are well trained and in most cases can run a qualification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Maybe you should consider Junior Hunt Test. Derby in today’s world is not a beginner stake. These young dogs are well trained and in most cases can run a qualification.
    Shucks I’ve shot flyers for our club’s Junior Hunt Test, these dogs after all are bred and trained to demonstrate hunting ability and today’s Derby dogs are beyond well trained why wouldn’t they pick up flyers?

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    [QUOTE=Ken Barton;}
    .......why wouldn’t they pick up flyers?[/QUOTE]

    Because flyers and Derby dogs are both unpredictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Maybe you should consider Junior Hunt Test. Derby in today’s world is not a beginner stake. These young dogs are well trained and in most cases can run a qualification.
    95 out of 100 people have to be willing to lose on any given weekend or there wouldn't ever be a trial. Why not a beginner?
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    Tell you what... A derby will open your mind to how capable a young dog can be! See too many (myself included) amateurs who limit their young dogs simply because they have no idea how well these puppies can mark!
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