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    I have 2 dogs that I will be looking to sell this fall as started dogs. They will both be about a year and a half old. I know that a started hunt test is not that glorious, it is just getting singles, but how much, if any, could putting a started title on a dog increase the price? Is it worth even messing with? After entry fees and driving a couple of hours for each test, I’m not sure if it’d be worth it. Thanks for the opinions

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    I wouldn't think much, if any difference in price with a started title - but that is assuming you are selling to someone who is familiar with a started hunt test .. Taking videos of the dogs working as they would in a hunting scenario and their basic obedience (kenneling, home life)... guns, birds, blinds, decoys would probably be more advantageous.....
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    Actually - you might be able to suck in potential hunt test 'newbies'... tell them the dog is ready for started and encourage them to enter tests to get the dogs' started titles.
    The way I look at it, every dog is an opportunity to be a better trainer, and every day is a new day to be a better trainer to the same dog we trained yesterday.

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    “Started” means different things to different people. At 18 months old, a typical dog would be through basics and much of transition work. Pattern blinds, blind drills, elementary cold blinds, decheating, etc. This is far beyond what is required to obtain a started title. So the started title wouldn’t tell me much at all.

    So, if I were buying a started dog, I’d be looking at what the dog can do rather than whether or not it had a started title.
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    IMO

    A started dog and a dog with a started title are two very different things.

    If I was to train and sell a "started dog" it would be through basics and ready to start elementary cold blinds. That's my definition.

    A 4 month old puppy with very little training can pass a started test.

    The started test and title are nothing but a fun thing for brand new people to get line time in and to help them stay interested in the game.

    Now to answer your question about value..

    If you are looking to get the most money you might find a market for "breeders" who like to get a started and junior title on dogs and breed them.

    In most situations I don't agree with doing that.

    If I was you I'd put those pups through a good basics program and have them solid and ready to advance.

    I think if you do that and market them as that you'll have better luck than just slapping a started title on them.
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    A started title is pretty much worthless, IMO. Adds zero to the value of a dog. A dog doesn't even have to deliver to hand to pass a started test and you get 2 single marks(land and water) at distances usually less than 50 yds. Most well bred 3-month old puppies should be able to pass one in their sleep.
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    The only value in the started or junior level tests is in getting people involved in the sport.
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    I agree with the above. I judge started tests and they are fun...for new folks. However, if I'm buying or selling a "started" dog...My definition of started would be upper Seasoned to Senior level work. That is, if I were buying a "started" hunting dog. If I'm looking for something to run derbies with- the level of hunt test accomplishment would mean nothing to me and I would instead be only interested in what the pup is doing right now and how he looks doing it after a thorough discussion of what training has occurred. That said, I do run each of my dogs in two started tests. HRC rules allow one to carry 10 championship points from the started level- no need to run four of those tests to get a started title when only two actually count for points.
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    I appreciate all the opinions. I have always done 2 started tests for dogs, to get 10 points to carry over and get them hunt test experience. But I’ve always moved on the HR title after that and not gotten the started title. Anyone who knows hunt tests shouldn’t be too impressed with started title. But I was not for sure if on the open market if started title would increase value much. But it seems like most of y’all feel the same as me, if there was any increase in money for a started titled dog, it would not be enough (if any) to justify cost and time for hunt tests to get the title. I appreciate everyone’s input

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    I've no doubt there are souls out there who'll think "SHR" meaningful, but would think your chances of finding them are mighty slim. Odds would seem a whole lot greater that "started dog" shoppers are going to want to see what Pup really knows, and those four weekends would be better spent training than testing
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