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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryWilliams View Post
    The dogs that went directly through the "heavy going" have an opportunity to be rewarded for courage.
    but the dog that went around - had opportunity to be rewarded for being intelligent?

    I view it as 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.....

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    Look up previous threads of derby judging questions. You'll see Glen, Ted and Dr. Ed's positions well debated.
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    It all depends on whether the dog is from Canada or the US .
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    At the end of the day dogs with the straightest lines in the judges book will usually determine the placements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotchocolate View Post
    At the end of the day dogs with the straightest lines in the judges book will usually determine the placements.
    I guess that depends on whose book you use a reference. Ultimately the dogs who win and place do so because of their marking ability and their ability to run blinds with style while under control. The lines they take to marks may or may not factor into that.

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    Field trials are are about what a highly trained and talented retriever can do, not what a good hunting dog should do.
    If getting the bird the fastest by avoiding the factors in a test was judged favorably in an open, half the entries would tie for 1st place every weekend.
    Simulate a day's hunt???
    Field trials are about finding a winner so there's no way they can have more than one dog get first place.

    Apparently you've never run under a decent judge who knows how to place Birds because a good judging team will place birds where a dog that tries to avoid hazards gets lost.
    A dog that's lost will have to be handled. even if he can run like a greyhound will probably not get the birds faster than a dog who goes straight to them and returns with them.
    Even if he does do it faster he will be severely penalized and most likely dropped for the handles.
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    are are.... I saw it the first time. LOL
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    I didn't see this test, so can only comment on what was described.

    That is a lot of time/distance to be out of sight on the way to a mark. I also question how safe it would be. I have had 2 dogs injured in that stuff while hunting, one seriously. Needed surgery to remove a 4" long shard of stalk which entered the front foot and penetrated to the wrist. I always cringe when I drop a bird in that stuff. Glad none of the dogs were injured.

    This was the first series of an Open. What if all the dogs had taken on the cover? Early dogs would break trail for the later dogs and dragback scent would be a factor for the later dogs. These, of course, exist to some degree on all marks in a test. I just think we as judges should seek to minimize, rather than maximize their effects. - Paul
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    The rules are pretty clear about avoiding unpleasant conditions. I would try to set something up that if a dog bailed out early they would get lost. A dog that bails out early and still achieves the area of the fall has probably done a decent job. As difficult as the description sounds, it would be hard for a dog to keep its bearings in all that tall cover. From a direct path, pleasing performance, and style point if view, the dog that hammers through the tough cover, maintains its bearings, and achieves the area would score higher in my book. I like to watch dogs do really hard tests well that most other dogs can’t do.

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    By the way a dog that doesn't take a straight line to the fall area is not necessarily avoiding the factors. Some dogs have left lean or take a banana path. Part of their style. Line doesn't matter, banana doesn't matter. What matters is the dog gets to the area of the fall before going anywhere else.
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