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    Default Who has done TCIs??

    I was planning on driving to stud, but drive time, no place to stay, etc. may make local TCI more sensible and affordable.

    I have done lots of surgical with fresh chilled and frozen, but have never done TCI.

    Experiences?

    Meredith

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk56 View Post
    I was planning on driving to stud, but drive time, no place to stay, etc. may make local TCI more sensible and affordable.

    I have done lots of surgical with fresh chilled and frozen, but have never done TCI.

    Experiences?

    Meredith
    I did one about 6 years ago with a vet in Las Vegas NV when we were on the road. 7 nice puppies. No problems with the pregnancy or whelping.

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    I have one scheduled tomorrow. It will be the third for this bitch. First had a litter of 11 and second had a litter of 8. Timing is all important so several progesterone tests. Check the success rate of the clinic that you use. Experience makes a big difference.

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    I've done multiple, with fresh and frozen, at 3 different repro vets between MN/WI. Only one bitch didn't have pups and that wasn't due to the procedure. TCI was the only way I got pups (not many but better than zilch) from one of my MH/QAA bitches, everything else failed, repeatedly. I prefer it to surgical or side by side, but, the vet certainly needs to be experienced and have had practice, so check their track record (and the stud/semen) like you would anything else.
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    I haven't done a surgical for years when the techs finally told me they were very successful doing the TCI's. I've probably done a dozen, fresh and frozen. Most were probably the same size litters they would have had naturally. I had one that I believed reabsorbed so that was on the bitch and I had one that just had 3 and the numbers went high to 38 at 3 days after ovulation so maybe there was a slight stall in there. Usually 3 days after ovulation is the choice time for frozen, and it's usually at 20-25. I remember thinking that was high but I had another high one that was 36 and didn't get done until 8 hours later and she had 10. At some point there is individual bitch variation. I do think the tie simulator is important.
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    We did a fresh side-side TCI. 9 healthy pups. The vet almost resorted to surgical during the procedure as there was trouble getting beyondnthe cervix of my maiden bitch. They finally were successful, so no surgical.

    But a friend of mine later told me never to opt for surgical in that situation; the distance from one side of the cervix to the promised land is so little, with good motility the little swimmers will find their way.

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    My experience, Camera was in they were all set to inseminate. For some reason dog was able to sit, broke the camera. No backup camera. Ended up having to do surgical. Didn't work out because this breeding was the breeding time-line from hell (Good Friday-Easter Sunday-shipping fiascos). So while I'm sure they do work, be sure to ask if the have a back-up camera and instruct them to not let the dog sit .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    My experience, Camera was in they were all set to inseminate. For some reason dog was able to sit, broke the camera. No backup camera. Ended up having to do surgical. Didn't work out because this breeding was the breeding time-line from hell (Good Friday-Easter Sunday-shipping fiascos). So while I'm sure they do work, be sure to ask if the have a back-up camera and instruct them to not let the dog sit .
    I've been in with every one and helped hold my female, in addition to the staff and vet, always been plenty of help in that regard. I suppose if one had a wild/uncooperative bitch or one not willing to stand in place, TCI isn't going to work well.
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    I'm in holding too. Not sure of that set up. It doesn't make sense. All of mine stood including a maiden bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErinsEdge View Post
    I'm in holding too. Not sure of that set up. It doesn't make sense. All of mine stood including a maiden bitch.
    I know right Timing with shipping was so bad that they couldn't do it until 8pm, so I had to leave the girl there overnight. What happen is, I believe the tech turned her back to get something and the dog just sat. They seemed to really surprised that she would sit with the camera up there. All I know is I get the call the camera is broken, the replacement can't be located. What to do? Surgical only real option at that point, then of course have to wait for proper vet to be called in for that to get in for that.
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