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    This is a question and I am curious about opinions:

    Is it a trend or has this always gone on: A pro uses a person with amateur standing to run other individuals dogs to put AFCs on the dogs and also qualify them for the National Amateur Retriever Championship so that the owners can run the National. And at the same time this Amateur Individual has his own dog but does not run it in the Amateur but runs it in the open when he is running the other dogs in the Amateur?

    Is this acceptable?
    He is an Amateur first impression.
    Is this good sportsmanship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    This is a question and I am curious about opinions:

    Is it a trend or has this always gone on: A pro uses a person with amateur standing to run other individuals dogs to put AFCs on the dogs and also qualify them for the National Amateur Retriever Championship so that the owners can run the National. And at the same time this Amateur Individual has his own dog but does not run it in the Amateur but runs it in the open when he is running the other dogs in the Amateur?

    Is this acceptable?
    He is an Amateur first impression.
    Is this good sportsmanship?
    Shamateurs have been around for a long time, Mike. Nothing new there.

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    There are also former pros, who now hold themselves out as Amateurs, who are paid under the table to train dogs for clients, and frequently run those dogs for their clients in the Amateur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    This is a question and I am curious about opinions:

    Is it a trend or has this always gone on: A pro uses a person with amateur standing to run other individuals dogs to put AFCs on the dogs and also qualify them for the National Amateur Retriever Championship so that the owners can run the National. And at the same time this Amateur Individual has his own dog but does not run it in the Amateur but runs it in the open when he is running the other dogs in the Amateur?

    Is this acceptable?
    He is an Amateur first impression.
    Is this good sportsmanship?
    Nothing illegal in the rules. This was a problem in the 80s hence the Owner Handler Amateur Stake, it is a club option and if people are abusing the rules one that should be employed.

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    EDA I know it’s legal on first impression. But these individuals participating in this don’t you think they take the integrity of the sport away. It cheapens the National.
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    WESTWIND WHISPERING COVE JAY QAA, MH (Larry's son and Murray's grandson)

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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    EDA I know it’s legal on first impression. But these individuals participating in this don’t you think they take the integrity of the sport away. It cheapens the National.
    Not arguing (or defending) the ethics just recognizing the legality and the vehicle to manage it, the Owner Handler Amateur All Age.

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    Legal Ethical

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    One of the biggest problems with the FT game today, Honor and Honestly.

    We are doing it to ourselves in that no one will call anyone out on anything out of fear that you will get your arse handed to you at some point down the road by the person you called out. It's sickening.

    You see a illegal test set up at a FT something should be said to the FT committee who in turn should mention to the judges the things that should be pointed out that are wrong. But again nothing is ever said. " it's ok, everyone has to do the same test" BS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    One of the biggest problems with the FT game today, Honor and Honestly.

    We are doing it to ourselves in that no one will call anyone out on anything out of fear that you will get your arse handed to you at some point down the road by the person you called out. It's sickening.

    You see a illegal test set up at a FT something should be said to the FT committee who in turn should mention to the judges the things that should be pointed out that are wrong. But again nothing is ever said. " it's ok, everyone has to do the same test" BS!!!

    We have a book to guide us to what is correct and what isn't, USE IT.
    There's a lot of Truth in this post

    In regards to the title of the thread no there's nothing new this is not a new trend it's been going on for a long time.

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    There are many AFC titled dogs that would not even be house broke if it weren't for a pro trainer.
    A casual observer might think pros were renting dogs out to amateurs on weekends.
    Not for me, not new, not against the rules and not going to change.
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