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    Franky....as you well know, their is no such thing as a country with completely 'Free Market Capitalism! There is also no country that is totally Socialized, even the worst of them have active 'Bartering' and/or 'Black Markets' that are much like FMC!

    Therefore, your argument is not valid, anyone who has a background in Economics understands that we have never had a pure FMC, some from of central control/ from a governmental body is always part of the equation!

    I made a poor assumption that you and Tigerlilly knew this, perhaps I was wrong in that assumption....

    And YEP! President Trump, so far is the best 'Free Market' President in my lifetime! Since you only follow our President based on your
    'Liberal scab' media,
    you in fact know nothing of what the President has actually done to improve the American economy! Having discussions with liberals on this subject is like "preaching to the devil" and is a total waste of time....you spend more time trying to validate the lies you hear and read, than trying to understand what conservatives say about this President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Franky....as you well know, their is no such thing as a country with completely 'Free Market Capitalism! There is also no country that is totally Socialized, even the worst of them have active 'Bartering' and/or 'Black Markets' that are much like FMC!

    Therefore, your argument is not valid, anyone who has a background in Economics understands that we have never had a pure FMC, some from of central control/ from a governmental body is always part of the equation!

    I made a poor assumption that you and Tigerlilly knew this, perhaps I was wrong in that assumption....

    And YEP! President Trump, so far is the best 'Free Market' President in my lifetime!
    Since you only follow our President based on your
    'Liberal scab' media,
    you in fact know nothing of what the President has actually done to improve the American economy! Having discussions with liberals on this subject is like "preaching to the devil" and is a total waste of time....you spend more time trying to validate the lies you hear and read, than trying to understand what conservatives say about this President.
    You must have not been around in the 1990s. The market zoomed and Bill Clinton retired the huge National debt left from Reagan and Bush41.
    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” U S Constitution
    This entire impeachment process is just going to be all about knocking down the most offensively stupid arguments from Trump supporters.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    RK, I'm well aware of the history of Ethanol subsidies.

    Swampy thinks Trump is some kind of Free Market Champion.

    Trump voiced his support for the subsidies when campaigning in Iowa.

    I was only pointing out his lack of understanding of the meaning of Free Market Capitalism by using the subsidies as just one example.
    Do you consider ACA a free market effort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Do you consider ACA a free market effort?
    No.

    One would have to look far and wide for anything resembling Free Market today.

    Free market healthcare hasn't existed in over 40 years.

    However, claiming any one Party more free market than the other would be dubious at best.
    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” U S Constitution
    This entire impeachment process is just going to be all about knocking down the most offensively stupid arguments from Trump supporters.









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    [QUOTE=Franco;2171566]

    You commented...

    "One would have to look far and wide for anything resembling Free Market today."

    Franky, earlier in this thread you correctly pointed out that Bill Clinton did a fine job reducing the national debt (of course he was led by a Republican controlled Congress in his last term, when this all started) Are you saying that during this economic growth period that NO free market influences were in play? Know one is claiming that the USA is solely Free Market, it is mixed market...but Free Market Economics are still imbedded in our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    You must have not been around in the 1990s. The market zoomed and Bill Clinton retired the huge National debt left from Reagan and Bush41.
    Add to that accomplishment, Russia sold high tech subs capable of launching nukes to any where in our homeland for scrap metal prices to North Korea.....

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