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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post
    We could be supporting an even more dangerous fool right now.

    We could be supporting communist and/or socialist fools in 15 months too!

    Thank you, but no.

    roseberry….you really hit one out of the park on this comment! The reality that Franky, and other who are attacking President Trump is that if by some act of God, or some illegal attack on our President, he does not get re-elected, the new President will be someone who is an outright SOCIALIST! Not one of the Democratic candidates is a Free Market Capitalist and you can throw in Michell and Opra into that group.

    They all are saying they would prefer a Socialist over a Free Market Capitalist! Our Parents, Grandparents, and Great-grandparents would turn over in their graves...Not to mention all who died protecting this nation....these folks are so blind with hate, they are welling to throw our history away...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    They all are saying they would prefer a Socialist over a Free Market Capitalist! Our Parents, Grandparents, and Great-grandparents would turn over in their graves...Not to mention all who died protecting this nation....these folks are so blind with hate, they are welling to throw our history away...!
    They are? Every single one?
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    I'm 100% certain that a "Free Market Capitalist", will not get elected President next election...……..Republican or Democrat, I'd bet the farm on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogie1717 View Post
    They are? Every single one?
    Yep, they all are not saying it, but if you look at their platforms it is clear...and if you eliminate those in the group of candidates that have little support, it is a garantee they will have nothing but SOCIALISTS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    I'm 100% certain that a "Free Market Capitalist", will not get elected President next election...……..Republican or Democrat, I'd bet the farm on it.
    That's a slam dunk!
    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” U S Constitution
    This entire impeachment process is just going to be all about knocking down the most offensively stupid arguments from Trump supporters.









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    Well that's 2 of you! Like on most things, you both completly miss the reality of what is going on.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Well that's 2 of you! Like on most things, you both completly miss the reality of what is going on.....
    Make that 3 of us Swampy, that would like you to explain how we've misinterpreted what's going on in relation to the free market economy and the free enterprise system with a president that continuously levies tariffs and starts trade Wars and make statements ordering our United States companies to come out of China

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Well that's 2 of you! Like on most things, you both completly miss the reality of what is going on.....
    Since you obviously don't know the meaning of Free Market Capitalism, let me help you out.


    In its purest form, free market capitalism is a society in which an open market sets prices for the sole purpose of profits. This type of society operates on the principles of supply and demand. Prices are set, and goods are bought and sold based on the demand of the people.

    I'll keep it very simple for you.

    Trump supports Ethanol subsidies, is that Free Market?

    Our Tax Code is over 70,000 pages filled with loop holes for large corporations. Free Market?

    That is just two examples of hundreds!
    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” U S Constitution
    This entire impeachment process is just going to be all about knocking down the most offensively stupid arguments from Trump supporters.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Since you obviously don't know the meaning of Free Market Capitalism, let me help you out.


    In its purest form, free market capitalism is a society in which an open market sets prices for the sole purpose of profits. This type of society operates on the principles of supply and demand. Prices are set, and goods are bought and sold based on the demand of the people.

    I'll keep it very simple for you.

    Trump supports Ethanol subsidies, is that Free Market?

    Our Tax Code is over 70,000 pages filled with loop holes for large corporations. Free Market?

    That is just two examples of hundreds!
    A little history!
    History of the Ethanol Subsidy
    The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit ethanol subsidy became law on Oct. 22, 2004, when President George W. Bush signed the American Jobs Creation Act into law. Included in that piece of legislation was the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit.

    The initial bill gave ethanol blenders a tax credit of 51 cents for every gallon of ethanol they mixed with gasoline. Congress reduced the tax incentive by 6 cents per gallon as part of the 2008 Farm Bill.

    According to the Renewable Fuels Association, gasoline refiners and marketers are required to pay the full rate of tax, which is 18.4 cents per gallon on the total gasoline-ethanol mixture but can claim the 45 cents per gallon tax credit or refund for each gallon of ethanol used in the mixture.

    The ethanol subsidy benefits multibillion-dollar integrated oil companies such as BP, Exxon, and Chevron.

    The First Ethanol Subsidy
    The Energy Policy Act of 1978 was the first federal legislative ethanol subsidy. It allowed for a 40-cent tax exemption per gallon of ethanol, according to Purdue University.
    The Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 increased the tax exemption to 50 cents per gallon of ethanol.
    The 1990 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act extended the ethanol subsidy to 2000 but decreased the amount to 54 cents a gallon.
    The 1998 Transportation Efficiency Act of the 21st Century extended the ethanol subsidy through 2007 but reduced it to 51 cents per gallon by 2005.
    Bush's signature on the Jobs Creation Act changed the way the modern ethanol subsidy worked. Instead, it offered a straight tax credit to producers, the legislation allowed for the "blender's credit."
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    RK, I'm well aware of the history of Ethanol subsidies.

    Swampy thinks Trump is some kind of Free Market Champion.

    Trump voiced his support for the subsidies when campaigning in Iowa.

    I was only pointing out his lack of understanding of the meaning of Free Market Capitalism by using the subsidies as just one example.
    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” U S Constitution
    This entire impeachment process is just going to be all about knocking down the most offensively stupid arguments from Trump supporters.









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