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    Sorry if the thread title is misleading. I enjoy the nostalgia and history of the dog games. As a newcomer to trials, I love reading about and hearing about dogs long gone. In a recent thread, Dr. Ed and others who have been around the game a while, talked about some great dogs.

    I am interested to know what experiences you have with puppies who show a great deal of promise. What does that look like? All of us think our puppies are great, but the reality is- I've never ran or made an AFC dog, so what would I know about how those dogs looked at a young age? For example, I have read that Lottie showed great promise at a young age. She won her first derby I believe at 11 months! Yes...I have a couple of young dogs. Yes...I think they are awesome. No...I wouldn't wager any money they will ever win a Q much less an open lol. I'm just interested to know what "showed great promise as a puppy" or "NAFC Fido was a great marker as a puppy" looks like. I've had 8-9 month old puppies pick up 300 plus yard singles, but the field had few factors. Those same pups would have looked silly on a 75 yard cheaty mark landing in thick cover as a check down lol.

    What could some of the "great" ones do at a young age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big trax View Post
    Sorry if the thread title is misleading. I enjoy the nostalgia and history of the dog games. As a newcomer to trials, I love reading about and hearing about dogs long gone. In a recent thread, Dr. Ed and others who have been around the game a while, talked about some great dogs.

    I am interested to know what experiences you have with puppies who show a great deal of promise. What does that look like? All of us think our puppies are great, but the reality is- I've never ran or made an AFC dog, so what would I know about how those dogs looked at a young age? For example, I have read that Lottie showed great promise at a young age. She won her first derby I believe at 11 months! Yes...I have a couple of young dogs. Yes...I think they are awesome. No...I wouldn't wager any money they will ever win a Q much less an open lol. I'm just interested to know what "showed great promise as a puppy" or "NAFC Fido was a great marker as a puppy" looks like. I've had 8-9 month old puppies pick up 300 plus yard singles, but the field had few factors. Those same pups would have looked silly on a 75 yard cheaty mark landing in thick cover as a check down lol.

    What could some of the "great" ones do at a young age?
    BT, This one will get at some of what you seek. This thread is about 918 posts long currently. If you pick through it, you can find an interested series of events, documented by various comments and posts. The reader form their own image of some pieces of the career of a little chocolate female lab. She just recently made the short list for the 2019 Retriever Hall of Fame, which is a very cool recognition.

    Congrats to Bill and Micki.

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    Everyone you talk to has the next big thing. "My six month old puppy is doing 250 yard marks!" Very few of those dogs end up being competitive field trial dogs. I've heard it so many times it's hard for a puppy to impress me.

    I saw NFC-AFC Bullet for the first time when he was 10 weeks old and he was doing land and water marks up to about 100 yards with some re-entry and technical features on the water. He did them all perfectly. I trained with him a few more times as he developed and saw him chalk line a triple with two retired with water in it when he was 9 months old. It was clear he was on a different level marking and intelligence-wise. I almost quit the game because I wasn't sure how I would ever compete against a dog like that. I've never seen another young dog with those traits. He was a freak of nature/genetic abnormality.

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    I could have bought Butte's Blue Moon for $300 when he was 13 Months old, at 14 months he won his 1st Derby
    & went on to win 5, a 2nd, a 3rd & 2 greenies in 9 attempts. One day he did not know what he was doing, the next
    day he did. But always a nice dog. The environment they grow up in will say a lot about where they end up.

    Frank the Fisherman owned 5 dogs, all raised as puppies at his house. 2 NFC's, 1 NAFC, 1 FC-AFC & 1 Derby lister.

    A local guy bought 5 pups over time. As they were from elite breeding's he placed them with the best of trainers.
    None were ever entered in a Derby.

    You may draw your own conclusion.
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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that FC/AFC-Texas Cocky Two Stepper-“Stepper” won an Open while still running Derbies.
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    Recently a YELLOW dog won the Open and Derby on the same weekend. Has had several Open and Derby placements since as well. Poor thing will not be able to run Qual now that they aged out. His littermate brother made it through a couple of series in the Am and took 2nd in the Qual last weekend.

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    What is the name of this talented youngster?


    QUOTE=labsforme;2170646]Recently a YELLOW dog won the Open and Derby on the same weekend. Has had several Open and Derby placements since as well. Poor thing will not be able to run Qual now that they aged out. His littermate brother made it through a couple of series in the Am and took 2nd in the Qual last weekend.

    Go Kid pups

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    Dancin' Dreamer Kate-MH (dam to FC-"FINN", several QAAs, 2-MNHs)

    RIP My girls Jiggy, and sweet mamas Dancy and Tip. We love and miss you all!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    BT, This one will get at some of what you seek. This thread is about 918 posts long currently. If you pick through it, you can find an interested series of events, documented by various comments and posts. The reader form their own image of some pieces of the career of a little chocolate female lab. She just recently made the short list for the 2019 Retriever Hall of Fame, which is a very cool recognition.

    Congrats to Bill and Micki.

    https://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...x-and-Tyra-Pup

    Wow! That was amazing to read and take in Chris! Thanks so much. Watching the video of Ammo running at the end was truly awesome. It is truly amazing how some of them just "have it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Maddox View Post
    What is the name of this talented youngster?


    QUOTE=labsforme;2170646]Recently a YELLOW dog won the Open and Derby on the same weekend. Has had several Open and Derby placements since as well. Poor thing will not be able to run Qual now that they aged out. His littermate brother made it through a couple of series in the Am and took 2nd in the Qual last weekend.

    Go Kid pups

    Jeff
    [/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    BT, This one will get at some of what you seek. This thread is about 918 posts long currently. If you pick through it, you can find an interested series of events, documented by various comments and posts. The reader form their own image of some pieces of the career of a little chocolate female lab. She just recently made the short list for the 2019 Retriever Hall of Fame, which is a very cool recognition.

    Congrats to Bill and Micki.

    https://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...x-and-Tyra-Pup
    This is the epitome of what the OP was asking about. Reading the early pages of the thread, it's pretty amazing that, while so many of us wouldn't even dream of pushing a puppy that hard, Bill and Micki clearly knew they had something special on their hands. They made it sound like it wasn't so much them pushing Ammo as her pulling them. Some of the more "opinionated" folks definitely ended up eating some crow. Even running that many trials with an all-age dog can burn them out. Instead, it appears Ammo just kept getting better with time. 144 derby points and a "N" in front of her name. Not bad for a little brown dog.

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