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    Farmer bailouts are now costing tax payers more than twice as much as the auto industry bailouts!

    Not only has our trade deficit increased by more than a 100billion for the last fiscal year...

    The $28 billion and counting isn't fully offsetting the loss of Chinese purchases and markets for U.S.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/86656...omaker-bailout

    And, no matter how much Trump says China is paying the tariffs, the truth is that American consumers are paying that tab on top of the bailouts.
    When it comes to Trump, it is increasingly difficult to distinguish between a political strategy and a nervous breakdown. His tweeted trash talk, his incoherent conspiracy theories and his shameless embrace of sleaziness are not the signs of a healthy mind.

    You don’t need to be a Democrat to appreciate the impeachment of Trump. You just have to be a patriot.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Farmer bailouts are now costing tax payers more than twice as much as the auto industry bailouts!

    Not only has our trade deficit increased by more than a 100billion for the last fiscal year...

    The $28 billion and counting isn't fully offsetting the loss of Chinese purchases and markets for U.S.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/86656...omaker-bailout

    And, no matter how much Trump says China is paying the tariffs, the truth is that American consumers are paying that tab on top of the bailouts.
    The entire transportation system, mainly farm products, coming down the MS to LA is subsidized
    to the tune of 90%. why don't you discuss that also?

    But you need to understand the Farmer Bailout is also a bailout for the various entities that leech
    off the system. Bankers, Seed, Fertilizer, Weed Killer, Insurance, Machinery. Try finding a piece of
    ground for a startup farm, most gets absorbed into larger farms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    The entire transportation system, mainly farm products, coming down the MS to LA is subsidized
    to the tune of 90%. why don't you discuss that also?


    But you need to understand the Farmer Bailout is also a bailout for the various entities that leech
    off the system. Bankers, Seed, Fertilizer, Weed Killer, Insurance, Machinery. Try finding a piece of
    ground for a startup farm, most gets absorbed into larger farms.
    Have at it.

    Afterall, with the current tariffs there is no need to get grain to market at an affordable price.

    Anyone that supports Free Markets must also realize that for Free Markets to work, there are other issues in the chain of supply that need to be addressed.

    As a Free Market advocate, I do take a realistic approach. That being that neither Party has any concept of how FMs work.

    Back to the bailouts;

    Not only are the farmer bailouts more than twice the amount of $ as the auto bailouts, with the auto bailouts tax payers got most of their money back. There is no payback clause for the farming industry.

    As the elections approach, I expect Trump to end tariffs and claim some sort of victory using his favorite ploy, that being deceit.
    When it comes to Trump, it is increasingly difficult to distinguish between a political strategy and a nervous breakdown. His tweeted trash talk, his incoherent conspiracy theories and his shameless embrace of sleaziness are not the signs of a healthy mind.

    You don’t need to be a Democrat to appreciate the impeachment of Trump. You just have to be a patriot.








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    My wife's family are Kansas Wheat Farmers! The price of wheat this year is the lowest in a very long time. Wheat farmers are getting no 'bail out money'! We are ok with that, as when we get an overall better trade agreement with China, the prices will rise. Sometimes you have to sacrafise for the overall good of the country.

    Nuff Said...

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    Has anyone else noted that the fruit and vegetables in the local markets this year appear to be of a better quality and at a cheaper price than the last couple years? The only exception that I found was for the price of corn which I find interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. Mac View Post
    Has anyone else noted that the fruit and vegetables in the local markets this year appear to be of a better quality and at a cheaper price than the last couple years? The only exception that I found was for the price of corn which I find interesting.
    Avacadoes, water melons, cherries (to name three) are all up, some substantially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Avacadoes, water melons, cherries (to name three) are all up, some substantially.
    A lot of avocados come from Mexico so they will be effected by tariffs. Here they have been running about about $1 ea. which is what they were before the tariffs. The California cherry crop was mostly wiped out due to weather, but even still we got a lot of Pacific Northwest cherries that were exceptional quality and could be had for about $2 / pound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    My wife's family are Kansas Wheat Farmers! The price of wheat this year is the lowest in a very long time. Wheat farmers are getting no 'bail out money'! We are ok with that, as when we get an overall better trade agreement with China, the prices will rise. Sometimes you have to sacrafise for the overall good of the country.

    Nuff Said...
    As a 15 YO I worked for my cousin's husband on their farm ranch in Western SD. The previous year they had been hailed out.
    In 1946 we harvested 32,000 Bu of dryland wheat, 1/2 of which went directly to the elevator @ $2.75/bu. The 12' self propelled
    combine that did the majority of the harvest came off the freight car in Vivian SD @ $5K. The wheat was garnered from seed
    that was chosen during the harvest. No Chemicals, no sprays, just what nature provided. I'm not sure the old ways weren't
    better.

    Quote Originally Posted by T. Mac View Post
    A lot of avocados come from Mexico so they will be effected by tariffs. Here they have been running about about $1 ea. which is what they were before the tariffs. The California cherry crop was mostly wiped out due to weather, but even still we got a lot of Pacific Northwest cherries that were exceptional quality and could be had for about $2 / pound.
    Local Cherries here @ the farmers markets $2.99/$4.99. Plums, Pluots, Peaches $2.49/$2.99. Bartlett Pears $$1.99
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    As a young lad I visited many farm families which were members of me Dad's congregation. I fondly recall the summer I was six visiting a classmate and helping his father bale hay. The friend and I were stationed on the trailer following the baler. About every third bale, the older son or the father would kick a bale to the side where Rusty and I worked together to move the bale and position it. We never could get higher than the second bale and by then we were bored anyway so we hopped down and waited for the next trailer.

    We were in southern Michigan along Lake Michigan and the soil there would grow anything you managed to put in the ground. Wheat, oats, and hay. Then there were the fruits and vegetables....peaches, apples, pears, strawberries, tomatoes and squash. Dad was invited to several of the farms and would take us with him. We got to help sort and pack peaches and tomatoes and berries and then deliver them to the market about 20 miles away.

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    Somebody needs to start a party that are against all bailouts including corporate, farm, banking, hostile foreign countries, personal, etc. Not the government's responsibility to be any entity's safety net. Success or failure should be self-determined. Never happen though. Too many on both sides of the aisle with their collective hands out.
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