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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    Or a conservative republican
    Ryan Paul comes to mind. He truly believes in limited government and individual freedoms. Maybe you can think of a democrat with these same values?

    Would you like me to list those I have previously listed that have not held Congrssional Office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Farrar View Post
    3.3 International Affairs
    American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

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    Key word is; avoiding.

    Some things can't be avoided.

    We destabilized the region back when we invaded Iraq.

    To turn our backs on the very same people we have been fighting along side of is not in our best interest nor what America does.

    Turkey has committed genocide in the past and they are more than willing to do it again. In turning the region over to Turkey, Russia and Iran, Trump plays right into the hands of our adversaries. Nothing short of a cowardly act.

    I not only expect the Repubs in Congress to stop Trump's decree in its tracks, I also expect the Military brass to explain to Trump why his decree would be a disaster for the region!

    Libertarians maybe against regime change and entangling alliances but we are NOT isolationist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    Oh he broke the law?? Then impeach him and get on with it. I am ready for the dims and the rebs to go eyeball to eyeball and see which one blinks. On sheer speculation, I doubt he will be impeached. The dims will wait till the very last moment before voting and then MAY impeach. Only time will tell the actual events.

    By the way, if there are "stupid conspiracy theories". Why not let them play out. The dems have been claiming if others are innocent, "what do they have to fear by testifying"???
    The conspiracy theories have been already vetted! The reality is available to anyone willing to do the research.

    Just like crazy Giuliani on Sunday.

    Rudy Giuliani’s brain must be melting as he had not one but two meltdowns in an interview with his hometown favorite network, Fox News. In an interview on Sunday morning, Giuliani defended his role in the growing impeachment scandal by holding up printouts of a rightwing conspiracy theory site and calling them “affidavits.”

    All smoke and mirrors in a feeble attempt to defend Trump.

    If there was no Quid Pro Quo, then why was Giuliani attempting to strong arm Zelensky into signing an agreement that Giuliani wrote stating that the Ukraine would reopen the investigation into Biden before US military aid would be released?

    An agreement that Zelensky refused to sign stating that he didn't want to get involved with American politics!

    And, why did Giuliani have Maria Yovanovitch fired as our Ukrainian Ambassador? As we will learn tomorrow, she refused to go along with the Qiud Pro Quo. Yovanovitch was well liked by the IMF and EU for her cleaning up most of the Ukraine's corruption. That is until Giuliani hit town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    The conspiracy theories have been already vetted! The reality is available to anyone willing to do the research. Just like crazy Giuliani on Sunday. Rudy Giuliani’s brain must be melting as he had not one but two meltdowns in an interview with his hometown favorite network, Fox News. In an interview on Sunday morning, Giuliani defended his role in the growing impeachment scandal by holding up printouts of a rightwing conspiracy theory site and calling them “affidavits.” All smoke and mirrors in a feeble attempt to defend Trump. If there was no Quid Pro Quo, then why was Giuliani attempting to strong arm Zelensky into signing an agreement that Giuliani wrote stating that the Ukraine would reopen the investigation into Biden before US military aid would be released? An agreement that Zelensky refused to sign stating that he didn't want to get involved with American politics! And, why did Giuliani have Maria Yovanovitch fired as our Ukrainian Ambassador? As we will learn tomorrow, she refused to go along with the Qiud Pro Quo. Yovanovitch was well liked by the IMF and EU for her cleaning up most of the Ukraine's corruption. That is until Giuliani hit town.
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    Flako calling someone else crazy is funny
    I used to be M&Ks Retrievers but for some reason I could no longer post. Ya think the mods trying to tell me something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker & Jessie View Post
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    Flako calling someone else crazy is funny
    Obvious that you are incapable of articulating any counter points to my post!

    How does it feel to support the degradation of our Constitution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    The conspiracy theories have been already vetted! The reality is available to anyone willing to do the research.

    Just like crazy Giuliani on Sunday.

    Rudy Giuliani’s brain must be melting as he had not one but two meltdowns in an interview with his hometown favorite network, Fox News. In an interview on Sunday morning, Giuliani defended his role in the growing impeachment scandal by holding up printouts of a rightwing conspiracy theory site and calling them “affidavits.”

    All smoke and mirrors in a feeble attempt to defend Trump.

    If there was no Quid Pro Quo, then why was Giuliani attempting to strong arm Zelensky into signing an agreement that Giuliani wrote stating that the Ukraine would reopen the investigation into Biden before US military aid would be released?

    An agreement that Zelensky refused to sign stating that he didn't want to get involved with American politics!

    And, why did Giuliani have Maria Yovanovitch fired as our Ukrainian Ambassador? As we will learn tomorrow, she refused to go along with the Qiud Pro Quo. Yovanovitch was well liked by the IMF and EU for her cleaning up most of the Ukraine's corruption. That is until Giuliani hit town.
    Giuliani has stated that he was visiting countries, asking for cooperation in investigating Biden's role in the DOJ's use of the Trump dosier and the use of FISA warants to spy on US citizens, well BEFORE Biden decided to run for President. We will see if that is verified later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Obvious that you are incapable of articulating any counter points to my post!

    How does it feel to support the degradation of our Constitution?
    99.9% of your posts are hogwash. Unfortunately you can't understand that simple fact and continue with the same accusations. Time to understand that there are two opposing thoughts and only an election will resolve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    99.9% of your posts are hogwash. Unfortunately you can't understand that simple fact and continue with the same accusations. Time to understand that there are two opposing thoughts and only an election will resolve it.
    Face it, you are incapable of debating on my level!

    Yes, two sides; one represents lies, gaslighting and evil, the other truth and the Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Face it, you are incapable of debating on my level!

    Yes, two sides; one represents lies, gaslighting and evil, the other truth and the Law.
    Really? The truth and the law? Your side represents BS and shredding the Constitution. You're beyond help. Do you actually own firearms? That statement shows a bit of delusional thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Farrar View Post
    Really? The truth and the law? Your side represents BS and shredding the Constitution. You're beyond help. Do you actually own firearms? That statement shows a bit of delusional thinking.
    This from a person who supports a well-documented pathological liar.
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