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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Yep! Over the years we have run hunt test, I probably ran in 4-5 HRC tests....I prefer AKC!
    Illegal HRC Started test..

    Started dogs are not required to be steady.. Dogs are brought to line on lead.. they are restrained by a lead or hand held under the collar...
    as marks are shown.
    A handler CAN run the dog without restraining it... if the dog breaks, its an automatic failer..

    Judges during all the started tests I have run, and those I've Judged have always HIGHLY encouraged Started handlers to take advantage of the rules and restrain the dog

    Junior dogs in AKC are allowed to be restrained at the line also, until release command by the judge is given..
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    I am surprised a Hunt committee approved the test!

    No started handler questioned the test??
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    I am surprised a Hunt committee approved the test!

    No started handler questioned the test??
    Hey Gooser swamp collie lover has at
    best a tenuous relationship with reality..

    Not only is it against the rules as you point out none of the HRC clubs in Missouri shoot Flyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    An 'evil' judge would

    Set up a walk up on water, with a sluiced bird and an honor. hahahaha!

    All kidding aside, how would one be certain the bird landed within the distance parameters of the rules? How would you deal with the undoubted occurrence of no birds because one sailed or flew too far or turned and flew the wrong (unsafe) direction? Hard enough dealing with fliers on marks without the distance/safety concerns. If you wanted to 'be sure' most fliers landed with the 45yd distance, you'd have to be shooting them at what? 15 yd from the line?
    Tobias, the bird does NOT have to land within 45yds, of the line. It has to be presented no more than 45yds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan View Post
    Hey Gooser swamp collie lover has at
    best a tenuous relationship with reality..

    Not only is it against the rules as you point out none of the HRC clubs in Missouri shoot Flyers

    I wanted to add that I have never seen a flyer at a HRC test at any level... BUT,, I have been told HRC does shoot flyers in regions across the country..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
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    You could do it safely with good gunners and the right grounds, I suppose, but...

    People actually involved in the training and development of young dogs generally have some limitations in mind as to what they expect from a SH level dog. They seek to test without setting up situations that could easily develop into problems for the dog's future development.

    I've seen a fair number of test set ups including the ones we ran when I was training Ozzy. They were characterized by challenging scenarios that matched and slightly pushed the dog's skill level. Square water entries, relatively simple blinds, reasonable expectations of line manners, etc. etc..

    In that vein one would have to ask themselves if a walk up flier in a SH is a good test for a young dog or a cheap way to eliminate a bunch of otherwise good performers.

    If someone threw it at my dog and me I wouldn't ever complain about it but, it seems like it could easily be viewed as a "cheap shot" by people who hadn't trained to a high enough level before entering their dog. We see a lot of those in SH from what I recall.

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    Swampcollielover:
    I am right there with ya as afr as maybe rembering things differently or for me anyways reading comprehension...

    I get it..I am still stuck on WHY Jack and Jill went UP a hill to fetch a a pail water,,,, when everybody knows water runs downhill...
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
    Brynmoors Prairie Sage JH ​(Sage) Just a dang fool huntin Dawg
    HRCH Calypso Seven Bales High SH (Bailey)
    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
    HRCH FlatLanders Broken Pistol Ricochet MH (Flinch)


    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
    I have gone by "Gooser" since I was a "gossling"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Swampcollielover:
    I am right there with ya as afr as maybe rembering things differently or for me anyways reading comprehension...

    I get it..I am still stuck on WHY Jack and Jill went UP a hill to fetch a a pail water,,,, when everybody knows water runs downhill...
    Along with many other things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Tobias, the bird does NOT have to land within 45yds, of the line. It has to be presented no more than 45yds.
    Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Swampcollielover.... Was that a HRC?, "started" test?

    Just curious..
    Yes, and we did not like it! Those of us that ran the test were pretty upset at this being run in a 'started' test! But it was, what it was....

    I stopped running HRC tests after running a few, their attempt to make the tests more like actual hunting, compared to the AKC tests, just did not work well for me. We had much more success running AKC tests.....

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