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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan View Post
    Hey Gooser swamp collie lover has at
    best a tenuous relationship with reality..

    Not only is it against the rules as you point out none of the HRC clubs in Missouri shoot Flyers

    So TigerLilly strikes again! Just because I always embarrass you with your radical Liberal Posts on the Political Part of RTF, you should not carry your rantings into other posts! I know these folks can and will judge my posts without babble coming from you.....so go back to political attacks and leave us alone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    I wanted to add that I have never seen a flyer at a HRC test at any level... BUT,, I have been told HRC does shoot flyers in regions across the country..

    You heard correctly, back when I ran this test, they did use flyers in that test! My Golden that ran that test passed away two weeks ago...! He was a great duck dog and pretty good at flushing pheasant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Yes, and we did not like it! Those of us that ran the test were pretty upset at this being run in a 'started' test! But it was, what it was....

    I stopped running HRC tests after running a few, their attempt to make the tests more like actual hunting, compared to the AKC tests, just did not work well for me. We had much more success running AKC tests.....

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    My understanding as to the initial roots of HRC tests, they did a bunch of different hunting items-scenarios that would be strictly illegal today. Including GASP (FLYERS IN STARTED). The rule-book was indeed written for a reason .

    Today if such scenarios were put up; first the hunt test committee would flag them, then the Rep. then the contestants. Heck everyone would be in Conduct Meetings all afternoon and never run a dog. The HRC rulebook is the most clearly defined book in terms of what you CANNOT do (distance requirements, separation, cover-changes etc). There were reasons, it had to be. Southern boys-Hunters were very inventive, when initially creating the venue. Sounds like those first tests were a Kick, before everything was boggled down with rules LOL .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    My understanding as to the initial roots of HRC tests, they did a bunch of different hunting items-scenarios that would be strictly illegal today. Including GASP (FLYERS IN STARTED). The rule-book was indeed written for a reason .

    Today if such scenarios were put up; first the hunt test committee would flag them, then the Rep. then the contestants. Heck everyone would be in Conduct Meetings all afternoon and never run a dog. The HRC rulebook is the most clearly defined book in terms of what you CANNOT do (distance requirements, separation, cover-changes etc). There were reasons, it had to be. Southern boys-Hunters were very inventive, when initially creating the venue. Sounds like those first tests were a Kick, before everything was boggled down with rules LOL .

    I'm not GASPING at a flyer in Started...… I am pointing out that as far back as I can remember (ran first started test somewhere around 2000 or so) a Started dog was not required to be steady.. They were required run at the line on a leash, or, held by hand under a collar.. (You could run the dog without restraint if you wanted, but if the dog breaks,, you fail)

    Swampcollie stated many dogs BROKE!

    He also stated handlers were instructed by judges to drop leash at some point and have dog unrestrained. Thus requiring the dog to be steady... All levels in HRC rules state a BREAK is an automatic failer.. (Note I did not say a CONTROLLED break)… I would be all for flyers in HRC tests at all levels..

    I only have HRC rule books starting around the year 2000.. I will concede I do not know what the requirements were before then.. I concede the point..

    At the point in time, I started running HRC, Swamps test would be Illegal..
    Like I said, I am surprised a Hunt committee approved it..
    I am surprised handlers didn't call the judges on it..



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    To Demean myself!!!!

    GD it Gooser! The OP asked about a friggin SENIOR test!! I wouuld think you would have learned to read by now..!!

    And dang it! To top it off his focus was on SAFTY (is safty ty or tey)

    We wasn't asked to bash Venues!!

    Way to Hyjack a perfectly GREAT thread!!

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    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
    HRCH FlatLanders Broken Pistol Ricochet MH (Flinch)


    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
    I have gone by "Gooser" since I was a "gossling"

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    This is a typical Senior test.. Pretend walk up bird is flyer.. (It isnt in vid)

    Flyer is thrown right angle back into open field out of the test

    I think its safe..

    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
    Brynmoors Prairie Sage JH ​(Sage) Just a dang fool huntin Dawg
    HRCH Calypso Seven Bales High SH (Bailey)
    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
    HRCH FlatLanders Broken Pistol Ricochet MH (Flinch)


    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
    I have gone by "Gooser" since I was a "gossling"

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    Please no remarks about Honor dog and what happened?'s

    No comments about what judges did or shoulda did..

    People are humans.. Stuff happens..

    This dogs first walkup (Don't ask) and first HT..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
    Brynmoors Prairie Sage JH ​(Sage) Just a dang fool huntin Dawg
    HRCH Calypso Seven Bales High SH (Bailey)
    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
    HRCH FlatLanders Broken Pistol Ricochet MH (Flinch)


    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
    I have gone by "Gooser" since I was a "gossling"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    My understanding as to the initial roots of HRC tests, they did a bunch of different hunting items-scenarios that would be strictly illegal today. Including GASP (FLYERS IN STARTED). The rule-book was indeed written for a reason .

    Today if such scenarios were put up; first the hunt test committee would flag them, then the Rep. then the contestants. Heck everyone would be in Conduct Meetings all afternoon and never run a dog. The HRC rulebook is the most clearly defined book in terms of what you CANNOT do (distance requirements, separation, cover-changes etc). There were reasons, it had to be. Southern boys-Hunters were very inventive, when initially creating the venue. Sounds like those first tests were a Kick, before everything was boggled down with rules LOL .
    There would be no "conduct meeting", whatever that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Please no remarks about Honor dog and what happened?'s

    No comments about what judges did or shoulda did..

    People are humans.. Stuff happens..

    This dogs first walkup (Don't ask) and first HT..
    No comment on the judges, but one of them was in the kitchen so I made her come in here and watch. Brings back a lot of memories.
    Chuck

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