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    I have a one year old yellow lab and have been following the Chris Atkins videos which include using an ecollar. I have had a hard time using the ecollar since it seems like it works sometimes and then other times it doesn't. At times it works too well and my dog yelps. I have seen the intro videos for Cornerstone Gundog Academy and really liked their method though it is rather expensive but worth it I am sure. I am wondering if changing from an ecollar program to something like Cornerstone when my pup is just over a year old is an option. Also, are there any other options for non ecollar training beyond Cornerstone? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylestrong View Post
    I have a one year old yellow lab and have been following the Chris Atkins videos which include using an ecollar. I have had a hard time using the ecollar since it seems like it works sometimes and then other times it doesn't. At times it works too well and my dog yelps. I have seen the intro videos for Cornerstone Gundog Academy and really liked their method though it is rather expensive but worth it I am sure. I am wondering if changing from an ecollar program to something like Cornerstone when my pup is just over a year old is an option. Also, are there any other options for non ecollar training beyond Cornerstone? Thanks!
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    The problem isn't the method but sounds like tte collar itself is working improperly or not fitted correctly.

    Can a dog be trained without an e-collar?

    Sure

    However, I see no negatives with using an e-collar if you get one that works properly, is fitted properly and used appropriately.

    But....

    Since you have been using it inappropriately it may be best for you to try a different method.

    Cornerstone gun dog academy seems to be really good and I know some who have had some success training nice gun dogs with it.
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    Thanks Bryan Parks and Polmaise for your responses.

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    When I was young I trained a bunch of dogs without an e-collar. So now that I am old I can tell you the collar is much more humane and much faster because the correction is instant. If you don't want to use a collar you have to run out and correct the dog. By the time you get there he might not be sure why you are doing it, plus by the time I got there I was usually kind of pissed because he made me run all the way out there. Sometimes a dog that doesn't want to sit or come when you give the command decides to run from you. So you either give up and teach him he can safely give you the paw or you persevere until you catch him and make him know that's not an option. At that point the original training objective is toast.

    With the collar you say no, or here, or sit, or whatever and you give him a nick. Doesn't hurt him and he knows exactly why you did it if you train him right, and he can't escape the correction. The other way is tennis shoe training. You can do it, but it takes longer, is only for young people who can run, and is less efficient/ causes a lot of undue confusion for a young dog.
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    Sounds like you might have a e-collar with an issue

    Try a garmin and see if it isn't more consistent

    Or call Chris and ask his opinion - he will answer the phone, just be respectful of his time (number is on the Webb Footed Kennel facebook page)

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