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    Looking at the rule book for AKC retriever hunt tests, I found that switching (not picking up bird sent for but going for another bird not yet picked up) was graded 0 in perseverance and thus not qualifying.
    But is returning to an old fall graded the same way?
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    In order for a dog to be considered switching, it must establish a hunt for the intended bird, give up, then leave that area of the fall for another bird.

    A dog that returns to the old fall would be graded low (or 0) on marking.

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    Both are listed as serious faults in the jumbled mess also known as the AKC retriever hunt test rulebook.
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    Switching, and returning to an old fall are both bad ju-ju,... Not picking up the bird the Handler sent for but dog selecting her own bird after the send is not the end of your day. Really matters if the dog established a hunt elsewhere then switched or went directly to an old fall - those are end of day scenarios..

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    OLD FALL.. per rule book.. (Chapter 4 section 12..)


    Section 12. In Senior and Master Hunting Tests a dog that goes to the area of a fall, hunts, fails to find, and then leaves the area to hunt for another fall, or that drops a bird it is retrieving and goes for another, shall be considered to have switched. Unless in the opinion of the Judges there exist valid mitigating circumstances, a dog that switches shall be scored “0” in Perseverance in Senior and Master Hunting Tests. A dog that returns to the area of a fall or a blind that it has previously retrieved and establishes another hunt shall be considered to have returned to an old fall. Unless in the opinion of the Judges there exist valid mitigating circumstances, a dog that returns to an old fall shall be scored low in Perseverance and/or Marking, even to the extent of awarding a grade of “zero.”...
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    Switching: Chapter 5 Section 7.. Master dogs.

    (3) Dogs that switch shall be scored “0” in Perseverance and cannot receive a Qualifying score.
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    A switch is defined by rule as:

    A dog that goes to the area of a fall, hunts, fails to find, and then leaves the area to hunt for another fall, or that drops a bird it is retrieving and goes for another,
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    Mali said: Quote..."I found that switching (not picking up bird sent for but going for another bird not yet picked up) "


    That isn't a switch..
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    Switching is an automatic fail in Master.
    Returning to an old fall is a fault that may be graded so low as to fail a dog.
    Please note the difference.
    I learned this rule after watching many a dog put their nose down on a short old fall en route to an in-line, longer memory bird. The line to the memory bird was directly through the AOF of the short bird. You cannot possibly penalize a dog for "returning to an old fall" in this case if it gets past the area and picks up the long bird un-aided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Switching is an automatic fail in Master.
    Returning to an old fall is a fault that may be graded so low as to fail a dog.
    Please note the difference.
    I learned this rule after watching many a dog put their nose down on a short old fall en route to an in-line, longer memory bird. The line to the memory bird was directly through the AOF of the short bird. You cannot possibly penalize a dog for "returning to an old fall" in this case if it gets past the area and picks up the long bird un-aided.
    Please read the rule, and the sentence about valid mitigating circumstances... Its a judgement call..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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