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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Marti View Post
    I have two dogs who sometimes are overly excited. . . . . . Would it be an automatic fail if a dog does his leap and air spin and touches me on the way down before I take the bird?
    No, it would not be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post

    There are many judges who view any touching of the dog once you leave the holding blind (before you run) and once you leave the line after you run (but before you are behind the judges) as grounds for elimination. If pressed, they will likely cite "intimidation" (which does not exist in the Rule Book), and if they dig into the Rule Book, call it a "threatening gesture."

    I am not saying I agree. I am saying it is so. If you or others want to be Don Quixote and tilt at windmills, be my guest. As for me, I would pick another fight. It's not that big a deal to suspend touching your dog for the five to ten minutes that you are on line.

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    A lot of discussion about touching, I think ,to be safe, if the judges are liberal, touch away, if conservative, you can touch just don’t let the media document it. We’ll call it the RAC Biden addendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post
    Don't forget the Rule prohibiting "threatening gestures."

    The reality is that most judges are going to say or do something unfavorable to you if you touch the dog while you are on the line.

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    And if you don’t believe that and want to test the water try grabbing your dogs ear and pulling toward you next time your dog won’t pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    And if you don’t believe that and want to test the water try grabbing your dogs ear and pulling toward you next time your dog won’t pull.
    Or step hard with knee into them to push..

    Or,, touch the dog just before you take the bird on delivery..
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    I too have been warned "Do NOT touch your dog!" In the holding blind as they planted the blind.. Dog was overly excited,and was wanting to look around the holding blind,and I stepped up into her ,and said "Sit",,, then the Judge made the comment..
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    On a Senior Blind,,, I said kinda loud ( ok yelled) ,," BAILEY" then blew a sit whistle... BOTH judges simultaineously (at the same time) said.. "Thank You handler, will you Honor on lead" They claimed "Intimidation"

    I could no more intimidate that dog, than fly in the air!

    Despite what the rule books say or don't say,,,,,, I think it best when the Marks are being thrown, just don't love talk, or touch..

    When running a Blind,, its best not to let the gallery know the dogs name,, or NAMES you may call it..
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    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
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