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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post

    A "shooting guild" creates a perception of Monty Python, Holy Grail, knights shooting on, never giving up, as they age! [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif[/IMG]
    But they would know the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow, wouldn't they?

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    I remember a big Facebook kerfuffle after the NARC last year on no-birds. It seems people are the most adamant about things they weren't there to see for themselves.

    I would imagine that the dogs have gotten so good that these technical tests are required to separate a National Champion from the finalists. The precise placement of birds is required to get the desired effects of suction, memory, marking ability etc. If a bird doesn't fall in such a manner that it creates the desired effect, it may make the test that much harder for a dog. Or unfairly easy for a dog creating a disparity in what the other dogs were shown. A lot to consider for judges for sure.

    Having to ride a flyer that long has to be stomach turning for shooters out there in a national. Usually a no-bird in a HT or weekend trial means the shooters whiffed or just tipped the bird. Big difference between that and not dropping a bird in a hula hoop at 50 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Fisher View Post
    Big difference between that and not dropping a bird in a hula hoop at 50 yards.
    No sane judge would expect that much consistency from a live bird, particularly a pheasant. Variation in falls within a prescribed area is the random effect of live birds. Judges who demand that kind of consistency will be plagued with no birds and should never use a live bird. It should be noted that each individual dog, unless it has seen a no bird, has not seen the previous 50 fliers only his. Old fall effects are based on scent and may affect the hunt pattern but not where the dog has seen the bird fall. Indeed scent can help hold a dog’s hunt within the area of the fall so long fliers are not the problem, it is the ones that are drastically different that typically cause problems for the dog. Short falls close to the gun tend to be the worst as dogs are not accustomed to finding birds close to the gun and scent from the bird tends to get mixed in with the scent from the flier station. The second most difficult falls are straight back or hard back falls where old scent tends to keep the dog away from those areas unless of course the dog marked the bird. In general unless dogs get short or hard back falls right away they will tend to have an extended hunt. The location of the fall relative to the majority AOF should be noted and given due consideration when evaluating the mark. I am much more forgiving of extensive but sensible hunting on fliers (more so with pheasants than ducks) than extensive hunting on controlled dead birds.

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    Alas, rose, as I am having a sumptuous T'giving dinner replete with Long Island cheese pumpkin pie anon as prepared by the lone w-o-m-a-n member of this guild, I must take exception to the "ancien regime" tag and Monty Pythonish aura ascribed to it (Ministry of Silly Walks for Dogs By Gunners To Un-Marked Flyers notwithstanding) - and point you instead to a perhaps more redolent tableaux, the Cambridge dons' gluttony fest, a literal swan song if you will, in "Porterhouse Blue" by Tom Sharpe. Mr. Niles Bora may not be in assent, but I am merely suggesting, metaphorically, that no matter how fustian the guild may be, its august members should always be seated at the head table (between standing to shoot flyers, of course) for feasting on the 10th series at the NRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post
    This is a marketing and branding problem.

    If it's called a "guild", it's gotta be too damn old!

    Crew, gang, posse, circle........whatever.

    A "shooting guild" creates a perception of Monty Python, Holy Grail, knights shooting on, never giving up, as they age!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    No sane judge would expect that much consistency from a live bird, particularly a pheasant. Variation in falls within a prescribed area is the random effect of live birds. .
    Hyperbole on my part for effect.

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    Casey we can just double up the bird count and make sure everyone gets a no bird at every trial. Extra practice so getting a couple at the National is just another normal weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainjack View Post
    The Gunner’s are not selected for their shooting skills

    Curious, how do you think they are selected, Glen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    I'm 56 and I don't expect I'll shoot worse in 4 years. What's your point?

    P.S. We don't miss. YET.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post
    God may have a future plan for you that you are not aware of!



    Not really a great thing to say to somebody even if there is a smiley face behind it. Im not a real religious man but we all know there is a plan for all of us. At 63 Im sure not the same as I was when I was 20 but in a lot of ways I am better than I was then. But I'll tell you what, if God has a plan for me that I don't agree with he's in for a fight. In fact come to think of it I probably fight with him on a daily basis.

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    We all do things better as we age. Few of those require our best eyesight and athletic coordination.

    Fight all you want, father time is undefeated. Don't worry, no one will ask your wife or pharmacist to compare 20 steve to 63 steve.
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