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    I think it may be time for them to bring in some new, young blood (under the age of say 60) and retire some of the relics (god bless them for their years of service).

    Also, maybe it is time to reduce their influence at the National events.

    After all, it is suppose to be about the dogs, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    I think it may be time for them to bring in some new, young blood (under the age of say 60) and retire some of the relics (god bless them for their years of service).

    Also, maybe it is time to reduce their influence at the National events.

    After all, it is suppose to be about the dogs, right?
    I belonged to a Retriever Club that did just that. 5 years later they were settling for
    whoever they could find in the gallery.

    I am not a gunner but when throwing at Nationals I've seen some pretty amazing
    shooting from some that are no longer with us, up close & personal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    I think it may be time for them to bring in some new, young blood (under the age of say 60) and retire some of the relics (god bless them for their years of service).

    Also, maybe it is time to reduce their influence at the National events.

    After all, it is suppose to be about the dogs, right?
    And how many Nationals have you:

    Attended?
    Worked?
    Run?

    The Gunners - some of whom do compete with dogs - make a tremendous sacrifice of time and money. They take a week, sometimes two weeks off to gun. They pay for their travel, lodging, and meals. They are there for setup week. During the week of competition, they are there from sun up to sun down.

    As for influence, there are many different groups have a say in what happens at a National. I don't think that the Gunners have any more influence than any of those other groups.

    I have found - both at a weekend trial and at a National - you ignore the comments of experienced Gunners at your own peril. I have participated in Nationals where the Judges ignored the Gunners' suggestions and paid the price. In the 3/4 series of the 2013, National, the Gunners made a request - which we thought made sense. We adopted it, and things went without a hitch.

    In short, I disagree entirely with your inference

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    You haven't even divulged your real name, and yet you think you can dictate how things should be run and judge expertise by age, of the volunteers they pay their own way to gun to give back. Do you even run or is this just an armchair management?
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    I threw for 4 series last year in Paducah and had a great time talking with the gunners that shot the fliers I threw. It was clear that they were a dedicated group that all had sacrificed a great deal to be there for the entire event. I appreciate their effort and hope that one day I too will be able to spend that much time in set up and helping at a national.
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    While "new blood" is always encouraged and needed the sacrifices inherent to the position are what restrict many younger folks from doing it. There are few less than 45 year olds who can take 7-14 days off work and travel across the country to shoot for the pleasure of others. I've had the privilege to gun with a very experienced Guild member who is also a 8 pt AA judge and former National judge.

    The work is thankless, the days are long, and new blood is always needed, but not at the expense of the experienced.
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    How many nationals one attends or has run or worked is completely irrelevant to good shooting. LOL That's a good one, absolutely love it.

    I know what good wing shooting looks like. What I saw last Saturday, with pretty much zero wind to deal with, was a travesty. 38 Roosters for 18 running dogs and they couldn't finish the test.
    When you can no longer catch up to a Rooster or Hen Pheasant it's time to remove yourself. No one will fault a person for admitting the time has come. Put the gun down and walk away with your pride intact. It is suppose to be about the dogs, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    How many nationals one attends or has run or worked is completely irrelevant to good shooting. LOL That's a good one, absolutely love it.

    I know what good wing shooting looks like. What I saw last Saturday, with pretty much zero wind to deal with, was a travesty. 38 Roosters for 18 running dogs and they couldn't finish the test.
    When you can no longer catch up to a Rooster or Hen Pheasant it's time to remove yourself. No one will fault a person for admitting the time has come. Put the gun down and walk away with your pride intact. It is suppose to be about the dogs, correct?

    I find it curious that frequently those who are most outspoken elect to remain anonymous. If you have not attended, worked or judged a National you have no factu basis for rendering opinions as to skill, competence or anything else. I am through with you. "Ignore" button to the rescue.
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    I guess with that response I hit the nail on the head.

    Ignore to the rescue for sure.
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    I have never witnessed the shooting at a National. I have never worked a National.. I DO have really cool dreams of running a dog at a national.. I HAVE shot my fair share of flyers.. I have gunned at a few HT's..

    I think many people who I have been around, only key in on their ability to kill the bird.. Most kill it way to quickly trying to prove they are a great wing shooter..

    A flyer is supposed to fly,, NOT look to the dog, as a dead bird station... Its one thing to kill the bird quick, its quite another to ride it, and kill it so the bird has a chance to put on a production.... I think Judges like that, along with a few extra shots!..

    The rooster cackles as it's panicking to leave Dodge,, The Posey is fillin the air with lead! The culprit is luckly dispatched at the last possible minute..

    Once in awhile,,Tom Horn shows up,,and can do all the above with one very amazing shot... Those types are few and far between..

    We ALL think we are great shots,, until we are around the best..

    JMHO,,, Probably shoulda kept my mouth shut,, but I cant help myself..
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