OK, most know what I am facing at the moment. In the near future I will probably be starting with a new pup. Are there any instruction programs out there that don't use e-collars and force fetch? I haven't the time, money, or inclination to run trials or really even tests. I want to train a nice, solid, hunting companion. I used Water Dog for my previous dogs, but have been told that it is really out of date and that there are better methods now. My first dog was very steady, quiet, and driven. The last two have been driven retrievers, but less steady when we are actually hunting.