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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Most important is to bring a coffee can with stones.





    Really? What would that be for??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Shaver View Post
    Just about any program or method will work collar or no collar. For a hunting dog I don't think the collar is at all necessary. Everything to start with is up close and personal no need for the collar and needs to be taught with out it anyway. If raised right and obedience taught thoroughly voice commands is all you need. Just learn the methods to train for certain things like double T and teach everything slow and thorough in very small steps. Most important is to use a flow chart (I like Lardy's flow chart) and don't skip steps.
    I agree Steve. I trained dogs without a collar years ago. In hindsight, for too long.
    I think the e collar is a tool that makes training much easier for both dog and handler, used correctly of course. Would you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    OK, most know what I am facing at the moment. In the near future I will probably be starting with a new pup. Are there any instruction programs out there that don't use e-collars and force fetch? I haven't the time, money, or inclination to run trials or really even tests. I want to train a nice, solid, hunting companion. I used Water Dog for my previous dogs, but have been told that it is really out of date and that there are better methods now. My first dog was very steady, quiet, and driven. The last two have been driven retrievers, but less steady when we are actually hunting.

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    I don't personally use it but you may want to look up cornerstone gun dog academy, it's an online program that sounds like it might suit what you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunkenpoacher View Post
    I agree Steve. I trained dogs without a collar years ago. In hindsight, for too long.
    I think the e collar is a tool that makes training much easier for both dog and handler, used correctly of course. Would you agree?



    Ya I agree. However if I were just training my one and only hunting dog I wouldn't bother and would not spend the money on a collar. I guess from what I have learned with lots of dogs it would not be hard at all to train one gun dog without the collar. Im sure there are lots that are better at it than me but it took me a looooong time to really learn how to use the collar and I still make mistakes with it. I would not want to be learning to train a dog and learning how to use the collar at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Most important is to bring a coffee can with stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Old thread! Lots of information (opinions) from some fun folks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Shaver View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Most important is to bring a coffee can with stones.
    Really? What would that be for??
    Bet it means Mike is not very good with a sling shot and marbles 😏

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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Most important is to bring a coffee can with stones.
    My kids were little when I had my first decent dog, a 700+ point HRCH. When I would take them duck hunting in public blinds on the lower Illinois River they thought it was hilarious to dump the rocks from the coffee can in the water. "Ought to train their dog. Right Dad?"

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    If you are truly set on not using an e-collar or FFing then get Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy.

    With that said I believe if you truly take the time to learn what force fetch and collar conditioning are all about you will be better off.
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    Thanks ALL!!

    The time isn't here yet, but I don't think we have more than a very few weeks. King doesn't seem to be in discomfort, but is sleeping much more and, although he asks me to throw the toy at the regular times, he is only interested in one or two retrieves at a time and the wants to rest.

    I've been to Robert Milner's Website and downloaded the free book "Absolutely Positively Gundog Training". Have been reading the beginning. I find it pretty interesting, but find this:

    Pick a Dog That Fits

    A FRIEND OF MINE ONCE told me, “If you want to train a good duck-dog, then start with a good dog.” He was right. I would add to that, “Start with a good dog that fits you.” The retriever that fits most duck hunters is smart, easy to train, and pleasant to have around the house, and gets all the ducks.
    The duck hunter needs a smart, easy-to-train dog, because most are not looking for a second job as a dog trainer. The duck hunter needs a pleasant-to-have- around dog, because most of the dog’s time is spent being a companion and a family dog. Additionally, he needs a dog that sits quietly in the blind when the birds are working and the guns are shooting.
    All retrievers don’t possess the attributes of a great gundog. They come in a great variety of personality types. Important differences are those concerning drive and game-finding initiative, demeanor and personality, intelligence and trainability, and natural delivery to hand. As I describe these traits, I will tell you how to measure and evaluate a dog relative to these attributes. The measurement exercises are valid for dogs that are nine months and older and at least “partially trained” with the exception of the delivery-to-hand trait. Here are some ways of looking at a started or trained dog or the parents of a litter you are considering.

    pretty frightening, esp. the underlined part. By the time traits that are not a good fit show up, the dog is probably already in our hearts. We fall in love pretty quickly around here.
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