This type of statement is made by someone that has no clue about the FF process. It doesn't have to be ugly or nasty. When I first heard of FF I thought if you had to force a lab to fetch you might as well get rid of him. I had no clue what is was about. Now I will FF every dog I own whether it is hard headed and stubborn or a soft shy marshmallow. It's not the scary mystical thing some make it out to be. It is simply a very advanced form of obedience. As for the collar I used to call people that used the collar cheaters and thought collar trained dogs should not be allowed in competition. Got in trouble on the old Working Retriever Central website for such statements and someone steered me here. I since have learned about the collar and use it but I also need good control at 300 yds for trial training. I still say for a one dog guy training to hunt the collar is not necessary but I would still FF.