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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    So the element of a blind retrieve INCLUDED a walk up! and a diversion Shot


    All elements included with the Blind...

    The walk up wasn't stand alone..
    Sorry Gooser, I should have been more clear for you. I am considering it as a stand alone in respect to a marking series. Not saying you have to add a blind, but could. OP was asking for ideas.
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    It WAS FUn!

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    I believe there was a by dog for possible breaks..

    Dogs actually handled it quite well.. (wasnt a Senior test)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    If a field of entrants at a senior test were required to go to the line,, and run a Land Blind The Land Blind was "stand alone"..each entrant ran 1 required element of a senior test.


    You could have a test where the field would run the water marks.. then move and do the land marks,, then move and do the water blind,, then move and do a land blind....Somewhere in those series and within the rules,,,, a walk-up must be included,, a diversion SHOT must be included,, and an Honor must be included
    within (2) series!

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    I think it's important for judges to follow the rules, period. Tests can be made more challenging with available factors and hunting equipment. I ran an event last year where several mallard Mojos were included in the decoy spread and they really sucked in the attention of several dogs.

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    “throw their walk-up bird as a "walk-out" bird on the water series. It allowed them to use the space they were given to run a fair double and blind on both series, while still meeting all the requirements. The dogs picked up their marks, ran their blind, heeled off the line and behind where the judges were sitting. As they got to the edge of the brush surrounding the water, their walk-out bird was thrown. “
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    This! Should be done more often! Whether before or after double / blind or in between. Whether on land or water. Would allow more flexibility in Double marked retrieve instead of *always* having that 45 yard mark as part of the double

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    Taken from the rule book.

    Section 18. Walk Ups. In Senior and Master hunting
    tests, a walk up is used to test a dog’s steadiness. The
    birds represent a surprise situation therefore gunning
    stations must be well concealed, utilizing natural cover
    when possible so that only the bird may be seen when
    launched. Birds shall be presented at a maximum distance
    of 45 yards of the dog with no attention getting devices
    utilized.
    "As the first bird is thrown in a walk up situation", the
    handler may give either a verbal or whistle command to
    steady the dog once the bird is in the air.

    So it implies there is a second bird IMO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Tilleraas View Post
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    "As the first bird is thrown in a walk up situation", the
    handler may give either a verbal or whistle command to
    steady the dog once the bird is in the air.

    So it implies there is a second bird IMO!
    If the walk up is a "stand alone" then the only bird tossed is still the first one tossed 😏.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Niles Bora View Post
    If the walk up is a "stand alone" then the only bird tossed is still the first one tossed 😏.
    So Ken, why does the rule book say "first" rather than just the bird???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Tilleraas View Post
    So Ken, why does the rule book say "first" rather than just the bird???
    to prevent handlers from using verbal or whistle commands to steady the dog as the second or third birds are tossed.
    Edit- it does not state more than one must be tossed. Simply clarify handlers may steady dog only on first.
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    One of the aspects of the out of the ordinary test not discussed is time management. No one cares how original, genius and well thought out the aspects of the test are if handlers are still running it Monday morning. A separate walk up will add a minute or two per dog. Works excellent in a lower entry test and still allows 4 meaty marks. A diversion shot adds very little time but a diversion bird will add the same minute or two per dog. Adding both together could add 4 minutes per dog and you still have to run the marks and blinds.

    An extra series is legal and could be used to incorporate the requirements. Time management once again needs to be considered. Many of the dogs will be on trucks that are running different stakes. A handler running 3 stakes may not have time in a day to return for a 3rd series. The judges will be the ones waiting. A Monday morning finish is not the goal of any reasonable judge.
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