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    Quote Originally Posted by Daren Galloway View Post
    I can't believe this has gone on this long. Tell the dog to kennel, tell it to sit, then make it sit. This is not rocket science, this is sitting.

    Agreed...

    and the topic of the post wasn't about having Hulk Hogan in white, at the long station,, during a hurricane, and requiring him to move so the dog could mark a basket ball sized duck thrown in wind, heavy rain, that's causing radio damage.. .. Oh Brother!!!


    Its about the holding blind,,, but realistically, its about simple obedience..
    Sit means sit.. I used to think SIT just meant the dogs butt on the ground... It MAY mean so much more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Sit means sit.. I used to think SIT just meant the dogs butt on the ground... It MAY mean so much more..
    Have you counted how many times the command 'Sit' is used on those well regarded dvd's or video clips in the US ? ..Maybe it does mean so much more , I just raise my hand and physics come in to play ..the back end goes down and the front end goes up . lol ..Maybe ......just maybe ..mind some like to hear the sound of their own voice ...in case they got it wrong . ..Quiet handler /quiet dog maybe > including any holding blind or anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post
    Have you counted how many times the command 'Sit' is used on those well regarded dvd's or video clips in the US ? ..Maybe it does mean so much more , I just raise my hand and physics come in to play ..the back end goes down and the front end goes up . lol ..Maybe ......just maybe ..mind some like to hear the sound of their own voice ...in case they got it wrong . ..Quiet handler /quiet dog maybe > including any holding blind or anywhere else.
    I too have the bad habit of repeating the command..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    This whole thread confuses "training" (teaching the skill) vs. "proofing" (testing the skill in a simulated environment).

    The big names mentioned are trying to proof their work - not teach the dog how to sit quietly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    This whole thread confuses "training" (teaching the skill) vs. "proofing" (testing the skill in a simulated environment.

    The big names mentioned are trying to proof their work - not teach the dog how to sit quietly.
    WTH!!! If you really want to get down to it,, The friggin dog is on a leash! Sittin at your side! Even at the test or trial! If your sit standard is so low, that that dang dog wont sit on a leash right next to you in a blind,, IMHO,, you shouldn't be running ANY level test! JMHO..

    Repetition to a high standard..

    Of course at a test, the dog may be a bit more animated,,but NOT out of control.. If he is and you let that be the standard,, then at TESTS,, thats what your gonna get..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    So typically it may work like this..

    Owner gets a dog, and wants to work through the progression of the Hunt test program.. He cant wait to run Junior.. the dog can be brought to the line with a buckle collar,and a slip lead.. Many owners, even though the rules say different,, bring their dog to the line with the dog pulling them there.. The dog brings the owner to the line.. The dog was horrible in the holding blind! prolly never saw one before!!

    Rules arn’t STRICKLY applied in MANY circumstances…. Those dogs Pass!! At those points in time,, the Standard at tests are set.. You have just taught the dog the expectation..

    When they move to Senior,, you listen to the excuse it a HUGE jump! When they have control problems..

    They get to Master,,, and find life difficult.. A dog not fun to run, wont sit still, has the tendency to break, slips whistles on blinds..

    When it first started,, and the handler ignored the Problem,,he let it go to Run Tests,,and the Problem became a HABIT....

    I know of what I speak!!

    I think for the most part.. It’s a mistake for most people who train their own dogs to get in a hurry to run tests.. They want that ego ,so they can say their dog got a Junior (or what ever) at 13 weeks old!!

    You can work OBEDIENCE at all kinds of situational stress proofing circumstances.. NOT just a holding blind with the dog on leash!! NOT just field training! But Everyday life!!

    I just bet,, ( Not all dogs,, but the majority),, that dog that wont sit in the holding blind,, wont REALLY sit at the line,, and doesn’t REALLY sit on his blinds.. I just bet..

    I am going video hunting!!
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmnEM2GFGME


    I cringe now every time I watch this...

    The clown in the baggy shorts wondered why his dog wouldn't sit.. excercises like this were repeted a LOT!.
    I have training day vids, which are much worse,but decided to respect privacy of training group..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
    Brynmoors Prairie Sage JH ​(Sage) Just a dang fool huntin Dawg
    HRCH Calypso Seven Bales High SH (Bailey)
    HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
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    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
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    It tooka LONG time to fix both dog and owner..

    About the time the dog was ready to run a test again,, She came down with Cancer..

    I ruined her..

    It took someone to take me to the barn,,and tell me, that if I wanted to be somwhat sucessful at this HT stuff.. EVERYTHING about me had to change. If I was'nt comitted to do that, it would be a waste of time..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    It is on vimeo- Gary Abbott made it.
    I do something really similar to what he demonstrates in his video. The main differences are: 1.) I put the dog in the holding blind nose to the blind to ramp up the dog's excitement level. 2.) We add lot of noise in the field(gunshots, whistles, duck calls, loud verbal commands heard at a trial/test. Any corrections in the holding blind are done with the lead just like you would at a trial. 3.) Once we get to the line, the dog gets 2 in your face marks with a simulated flyer as the last bird down. Any creep/movement/etc gets a collar correction and we go back to the holding blind and start the entire process over.

    My experience is if you do this the 2-3 days leading up to a trial/test, the dog isn't nearly as excited as they normally would be. They are desensitized to the excitement at a test due to the excitement they've had in training. Below is Gary's video for anyone who wants to see it:

    vimeo.com/352373883
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    I too have the bad habit of repeating the command..
    Yea, Monkey See ,Monkey Do has always been a training tool used in conditioning for centuries ,nothing New there. with Humans
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