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    "Until it's safe" means until we destroy Trump!

    By any means necessary!

    Wonder why some here just can't admit it?
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    I can't admit it because for me, it's not true. It has nothing to do with President Trump. It's a deadly disease which is highly contagious which will continue to spread and kill Americans. I believe what we are doing now will exacerbate that. -Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    You make a good point, but the govenors of Wis., Mich., Penn., NY, Ill. and Cal. seemed to have made bigger headlines than the govenors of Fl. Ga. and NH.

    What is overooked is the casual use of the word "guidelines". Words and phrases like "shelter in home", etc, are terms that really are nothing but house arrest without a trial, much less a crime. Closing down State Parks, beaches and state attractions are the responsibility of the state goverments. But arbitrarily shutting down businesses are a different story.

    Setting guidelines and asking others to comply, is done so voluntarily.

    Governors enforce law. They don't make laws.

    By the way, I am still looking for an answer as to how many ventilators NY actually used.

    Cary, this is getting tiresome. Obviously, you know the answer to the question, so spit it out. -Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    Cary, this is getting tiresome. Obviously, you know the answer to the question, so spit it out. -Paul
    NO I don't know the answer, Paul. My guess he didn't use a fourth of the 400 that he got from the Federal Government when he said "WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH 400?? That was his statement when he was demanding 30,000.

    I can't quote Marvin but I totally agree with him when he said something like, too many mistatements said to have any idea what the truth is.

    I think I have proven that I can express an opinion and also state facts. We disagree about masks. I also believe there are advantages in wearing them but I also know that there are disadvantages in wearing them. It seems those that support wearng them refuse to recognize the disadvantages. It also seems that thos that support Dr. Fauci ignore the history of his opinions and just choose to quote those they like.

    I have stated that our ability to mass test with acceptable reliability and accuracy, is untrue. I think that is being borne out.

    I have also said that I believe that there will be many mistakes restarting the economy and we shall see if that is true. I certainly hope I am wrong about plenty of mone and no product but we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    I can't admit it because for me, it's not true. It has nothing to do with President Trump. It's a deadly disease which is highly contagious which will continue to spread and kill Americans. I believe what we are doing now will exacerbate that. -Paul
    Deadly disease? It is not Lou Gehrig’s disease, bone marrow cancer or polio. It is contagious, if you get it the odds are you will recover. Unless you have serious pre-existing health conditions The likelihood of death from COVID-19 is very small.
    No one is preventing anyone else from quarantining themselves. Why is it that some insist on everyone else being quarantined?

    I wonder what the conversation would be if Trump had issued nationwide orders a month or two ago similar to those in MI, IL, NY....
    Last edited by drunkenpoacher; 05-16-2020 at 12:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drunkenpoacher View Post
    Deadly disease? It is not Lou Gehrig’s disease, bone marrow cancer or polio. It is contagious, if you get it the odds are you will recover. Unless you have serious pre-existing health conditions The likelihood of death from COVID-19 is very small.
    No one is preventing anyone else from quarantining themselves. Why is it that some insist on everyone else being quarantined?

    I wonder what the conversation would be if Trump had issued nationwide orders a month or two ago similar to those in MI, IL, NY....

    What would you call a disease that has killed 85,000+ Americans in 14 weeks, if not deadly?

    We'll never know what the conversation would have been, will we? Those orders should have been issued 3 months ago. On February 10th, we were told it would just disappear. I guess the Virus didn't get that message. -Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    What would you call a disease that has killed 85,000+ Americans in 14 weeks, if not deadly?

    We'll never know what the conversation would have been, will we? Those orders should have been issued 3 months ago. On February 10th, we were told it would just disappear. I guess the Virus didn't get that message. -Paul
    I question your number, 85,000.
    I believe that number is exaggerated to support the narrative and keep America shut down as well as $$$$$

    Further more, no-one can explain how quarantine ing healthy people saves sick people with multi morbidities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    What would you call a disease that has killed 85,000+ Americans in 14 weeks, if not deadly?

    We'll never know what the conversation would have been, will we? Those orders should have been issued 3 months ago. On February 10th, we were told it would just disappear. I guess the Virus didn't get that message. -Paul
    The death numbers are inflated.
    The true number of cases are unknown.
    Testing is not even close to being 100% accurate.
    Why should there be nationwide orders when this virus is not homogeneous in the nation?

    If you are going to argue that locking down the nation to save lives is a good thing then I am going to argue that you are for spousal abuse, loss of livelihood, alcoholism, and depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    What would you call a disease that has killed 85,000+ Americans in 14 weeks, if not deadly?

    We'll never know what the conversation would have been, will we? Those orders should have been issued 3 months ago. On February 10th, we were told it would just disappear. I guess the Virus didn't get that message. -Paul
    Do those figures come from those that predicted over 2 1/2 million deaths? They claimed 50% false positives resulted in their error. Now there are claims that there are over 40% false negatives. So only less than 10% get it right when there are only two choices?? Don't you think there is a lot of propaganda both ways???

    What "orders" are you talking a out?? False imprisonment? Forced to wear a mask? I have no problem with a business requiring masks but don't tell me I have to wear a mask in my own property. How about sending the National guard to comfisgate property? Do you really think these actions are Constitutional? Now there is talk of separating those affected from their families in the interest of health safety. Does that sound like Germany in the 1930's? Personally I resist falling prey to a dictator be it Socialist or Conservative. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyg View Post
    The death numbers are inflated. By how much? What evidence of this do you have?
    The true number of cases are unknown. I said nothing about cases, but if there was more testing, there would be more cases.
    Testing is not even close to being 100% accurate. When the coroner says someone is dead, that is 100% accurate
    Why should there be nationwide orders when this virus is not homogeneous in the nation?? following this line of reasoning, why should there be federal laws?
    If you are going to argue that locking down the nation to save lives is a good thing then I am going to argue that you are for spousal abuse, loss of livelihood, alcoholism, and depression. That is utterly absurd. Spousal abuse and alcoholism are personal choices. Livelihood has never been guaranteed. depression is a disease and is not unique to the Covid-19 pandemic.
    Do what you want, and watch as the numbers grow. Just stay away from people trying to get through this without being infected or causing friends and family to be infected. -Paul
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