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    Im coming to the point in training where I'd like to start the ABC drill. This will be my first time running the drill besides watching it on lardys video. Question is i only have (3) 2 shooter thunders. Can i do the drill with only 3 stations ? And if so could someone draw a good diagram on how to setup for it and possible yardages. I'd sure appreciate the help. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallard11 View Post
    Im coming to the point in training where I'd like to start the ABC drill. This will be my first time running the drill besides watching it on lardys video. Question is i only have (3) 2 shooter thunders. Can i do the drill with only 3 stations ? And if so could someone draw a good diagram on how to setup for it and possible yardages. I'd sure appreciate the help. Thanks.
    I would set out 4-5 white stickmen. Put the Thunders medium, short and long at 3 stations. After you run 3, stop and move the Thunders to the other two spots and carry-on. You can find more diagrams on my Training Retrievers Alone DVD or the Collection on Favorite Marking Set-ups at www.retrieversonline.com. There is no single "magic configuration for ABCD(E)!
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    Hi Dennis,

    On another thread, where a person was getting no goes on memory birds in tight all-age marking set-ups, I posted that I felt that this drill might help the dog become more comfortable, relaxed, and proficient in that type of situation.

    What is your opinion? Are there other drills that might help them? -Paul
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    You could set it up a number of ways.

    The goal is getting the dog comfortable running tight to guns, under arcs and through old falls.

    I try to do some form of this at least twice a month.

    Also great idea by Dennis to put out more stations, I am going to start doing that.

    Here is one idea.

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    Dennis (above) was a major influence in how I like to do them alone.

    http://www.totalretriever.com/images...ABC-Drills.pdf

    mike Lardy himself wrote the one here. It can be run using 4 stickmen (or chairs with white coats draped). Like Dennis writes, you don’t need to have a thrower at every stickman. You can even run it alone with no launchers.

    It can be done by leaving the dog at the line, walking out and throwing yourself from a stickman. Release dog formretrieve remotely. Dog delivers to handler. Handler sends dog back to the line. Handler walks to the next spot and repeats.

    one added thing I like about this is that you have the opportunity to work on the return line to the mat if you choose to.

    Dennis V was a major factor in how I do this drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    Hi Dennis,

    On another thread, where a person was getting no goes on memory birds in tight all-age marking set-ups, I posted that I felt that this drill might help the dog become more comfortable, relaxed, and proficient in that type of situation.

    What is your opinion? Are there other drills that might help them? -Paul
    The ABCD is good for this but has multiple benefits. It is run as singles to foster focus, watch the bird and ignore distractions and be comfortable running tight to other guns and old falls. Dogs often get phobias from being corrected near guns or from being corrected for going back to old falls. Have to be careful doing either of those.
    I invariably start an ABCD with a medium bird thrown out of the test. This works on head-swinging. I find it creates a lot of tension to do singles up the middle of a set-up first. In addition, I don't like running over top of a short check down bird station that I will pick up later. It's anti secondary selection. Finally, I like to go short after longer and I like to end up with the longest bird last. While there are no "magic" configurations, there are some better ways to run ABCD.
    Otherwise, lots of singles or double-single when configurations are tight will help the no-go dog as well as focus and comfort.
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    Thanks, Dennis.
    Hopefully, he sees this thread and uses it to help his dog. -Paul
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    I train alone most of the time (thanks Dennis)

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    note: "Solo" setups are not particularly useful for working on "issues" at the line (for obvious reasons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    Dennis (above) was a major influence in how I like to do them alone.

    http://www.totalretriever.com/images...ABC-Drills.pdf

    Like Dennis writes, you don’t need to have a thrower at every stickman. You can even run it alone with no launchers.
    Agree. I find it most helpful to have the non-throwing stickmen short of the shortest throwing position and deep to the longest.

    Variations of ABC is only limited by your imagination and available grounds. With 3 two shooters don"t have "cement feet", move your line after the first round. I will frequently move around the field for subsequent singles will change the relationships or maybe adding water, a ditch a hillside... depending on your need.

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    Thanks guys. With your suggestions i think i came up with something that might work. X= gunner station. The x on the right would just be a stickman with no throw. Would this be beneficial ?
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