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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
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    Dr. Ed, no issues with wagon wheel as it is black and white to her. Only arises in the field on cold blinds.
    Do multiple blinds in the same session, at least 5. Pick them up 1,3,5,2,4. Then repeat in a different order, no recall just precision handling. Same concept as lining wagon wheel on a much larger scale.
    Thanks! I will definitely give this a try
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake McNeese View Post
    Tim, I don’t think it’s a confidence issue because after I kick her off and I correct her line she has good momentum and takes correct casts to the destination.
    Could be confidence in that she now expects you to stop her right after being sent and re-casted...I would check out retrieversonline blind bundles, specifically x 3 process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake McNeese View Post
    Does anyone have any drills of sort for improving initial lines while running cold blinds in the field? We have developed this issue in the past couple weeks, bad initial line then cast very well to the blind stake. FWIW, this is an almost 3 year old dog that does MH/QAA work relatively well.
    PIL that develops over time, vs PIL from dog who is in transition --- what do you think happened that caused this? She is looking out but doesn't want to go where sent? If so, why?
    Is the dog learning because of what I do, or in spite of what I do?

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    How about influential lining drill? No casting allowed. Call back for wrong initial line. No collar corrections, just attrition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddogn_tc View Post
    I see you said the dog has no issues with wagon wheel, and I believe you. However, if you have Facebook account, go watch the interview and discussion Pat Burns did a couple weeks ago about Wagon Wheel. It’s on his page “Pat Burns Elite Retriever Training”

    While it might not help the situation your dog is dealing with, I think you will like it.
    I have an aversion to FB could someone expound on Pat’s take on WW’s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Barton View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jake McNeese View Post
    Does anyone have any drills of sort for improving initial lines while running cold blinds in the field? We have developed this issue in the past couple weeks, bad initial line then cast very well to the blind stake. FWIW, this is an almost 3 year old dog that does MH/QAA work relatively well.
    PIL that develops over time, vs PIL from dog who is in transition --- what do you think happened that caused this? She is looking out but doesn't want to go where sent? If so, why?
    I don’t know. She does excellent on marks with marking and attitude and when you line her up for a blind and give her the cue, she will line up correctly but veer left or right after being kicked off. I don’t want to say it’s avoidance for blind work, but I feel like I’m getting a lack of effort until I give the first cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake McNeese View Post
    I don’t know. She does excellent on marks with marking and attitude and when you line her up for a blind and give her the cue, she will line up correctly but veer left or right after being kicked off. I don’t want to say it’s avoidance for blind work, but I feel like I’m getting a lack of effort until I give the first cast.
    Are you moving your hand as you send her or giving the command too loud?
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    Jake..
    I have posted this link so often, I have memorized it..

    I dont think many read it because I post it....

    Jake... Take the time to really read this.. There are a LOT of answers to your question in it..

    http://dannyfarmer.com/dannyfarmer.c...20Farmer_1.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Barton View Post
    I have an aversion to FB could someone expound on Pat’s take on WW’s?
    You can see the video on Vimeo. At the most advanced level, it is a 32 bumper wagon wheel.

    8 white bumpers at about 12 yards from middle.
    8 orange bumpers in between the white bumpers at about 20 yards from the middle.
    16 bumpers between those bumpers but at about 30 yards from the middle.

    Dog on mat. Practice 360 degree pivot heel on mat as you line up for bumpers.


    https://vimeo.com/410406357?fbclid=I...mbv9yFGbEtN7Ng

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