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    No! The return is not under judgement! I personally handle on returns, if i think my next line out is being compromised. It's done in every major stake from all good handlers! (Smart handling)
    I hate to see judges focused on trained ability instead of natural abilities. Especially in Derbies! It's killing the sport! CHEATING TEST'S DON'T DETERMINE THE BEST MARKER!

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    Good discussion. Can add a few people to my "Do not run under list".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    No! The return is not under judgement! I personally handle on returns, if i think my next line out is being compromised. It's done in every major stake from all good handlers! (Smart handling)
    I hate to see judges focused on trained ability instead of natural abilities. Especially in Derbies! It's killing the sport! CHEATING TEST'S DON'T DETERMINE THE BEST MARKER!
    You are talking specifically about the line the dog takes on the return and not other things? Basic obedience? Stopping to mark every 10 yds when approaching the line? repeated dropping the bird? Seems there are things that could be judged on the return to the handler?
    The way I look at it, every dog is an opportunity to be a better trainer, and every day is a new day to be a better trainer to the same dog we trained yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    No! The return is not under judgement! I personally handle on returns, if i think my next line out is being compromised. It's done in every major stake from all good handlers! (Smart handling)
    I hate to see judges focused on trained ability instead of natural abilities. Especially in Derbies! It's killing the sport! CHEATING TEST'S DON'T DETERMINE THE BEST MARKER!
    You are talking specifically about the line the dog takes on the return and not other things? Basic obedience? Stopping to mark every 10 yds when approaching the line? repeated dropping the bird? Seems there are things that could be judged on the return to the handler?
    “ dogs should be considered under judgment from the time they are called to come to the line until they have left the line and are back of all the judges and on leash.”
    "I'm thankful someone stood up to him, even if it was a woman." Franco 10/18/19

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    It seems to me as a judge In the derby the goal is to find the best marker that weekend, not to drop dogs Because they ran the bank on the way to the Bird or on the way back .if you read the blue book put together by some of the best
    Judges it will tell u that . Your job as judge is to
    Setup a test that if a dog cheats the water or cover it puts him away from the mark. If the dog
    Marks the bird in the derby & cheats that is your
    Fault as a judge not the dog. & as for handling
    on the way back I for one could care less, now
    If it becomes Excessive & ugly that is a different
    Story

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    The book also talks about "courage". You can easily invoke that as a reason to deal with running around the water. Page 52, #5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike W. View Post
    The book also talks about "courage". You can easily invoke that as a reason to deal with running around the water. Page 52, #5.
    i disagree, courage implies not avoiding unpleasant conditions in the quest for a bird which has nothing to do with returning with a bird. The OP’s question about handling on the return to avoid the dog not returning by water on a water related mark does not involve courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    No! The return is not under judgement! I personally handle on returns, if i think my next line out is being compromised. It's done in every major stake from all good handlers! (Smart handling)
    I hate to see judges focused on trained ability instead of natural abilities. Especially in Derbies! It's killing the sport! CHEATING TEST'S DON'T DETERMINE THE BEST MARKER!
    Where does the rule book support this? Page, Section and Paragraph, please. -Paul
    Last edited by paul young; 07-02-2020 at 10:49 AM.
    there's no good reason to fatten up a retriever.

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    Ed, I was talking about running around water to the bird, in response to NL's post

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    Correct. The line back has nothing to do with your other questions. They all are separate infractions that can increase from minor - major.

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