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    ....the blind must be clearly marked with a conspicuous object and the dog insight at all times...

    What are the chances of the spirit, if not the letter, of this change impacting AA. blinds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tville View Post
    ....the blind must be clearly marked with a conspicuous object and the dog insight at all times...

    What are the chances of the spirit, if not the letter, of this change impacting AA. blinds?
    I think that there is room within the rules that you may very well still loose sight of your dog(s) on blinds!

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    my brother is judging an upcoming event later this month. I just forwarded him the updated letter from AKC dated 3/2020....this way he and his co judge won't have to worry about anyone claiming their test is "illegal"...you just know there will be a test where the dog goes in a swale and is only out of sight for a few seconds and someone will be up in a judge's face claiming the legality of the test...

    But here is a scenario...a dog goes over a point with a C shaped cove to either side, and decides to run the bank which may be out of sight, or even the entry back into the water may cause the dog to be temporarily out of sight. I am sure somebody may want to challenge the legality of the test...

    the other question that may be asked is : what about a mark, if the line to a mark involves a change in elevation and goes into that same swale is that test legal or does the new guideline only apply to AA blinds..I can speak from experience on this one because I ran a test a NURC where the dogs went down thru a swale on the triple and were out of sight for less than ten seconds...There was also a blind set by a former National judge at a Red River trial where the dogs went down in a ditch after they crossed the road and the preferred line went over a high bank with a small tank (pond) and eventually out to the open field. It was a phenomenal blind
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    There is no change in the regulations as to the dog being in sight continuously. That has been there at least since 2002, when I started judging FT's. The addition speaks only to how the end of the blind is to be marked, which is extremely reasonable. Who doesn't want to know when their dog is at the end of the blind? -Paul
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    here is the text of the letter from AKC

    a recent change to the Field Trial Rules and Standard Procedures for
    Retrievers effective March 2, 2020. This change originated from the Retriever Field Trial Advisory
    Committee and was approved by the AKC Board of Directors.
    This change requires that when setting up a blind retrieve, the blind should be clearly marked with a
    conspicuous object, so it is visible to the handler.
    The exact wording of this change is underlined and will appear in the next printing of the rules as follows:
    Supplement to The Standard Procedure. Part I – Trial Procedure. Paragraph 8.
    On “blind” retrieves, whenever possible, the Judges should plan their tests in such a way that they
    take advantage of natural hazards, such as islands, points of land, sand bars, ditches, hedges, small bushes,
    adjacent heavy cover, and rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it should be possible, at least in
    theory, for a dog to “find” a well-planned blind-retrieve on the initial line from his handler; that he will do
    so is highly improbable because of those natural hazards, so he must be handled to the “blind.”
    Nevertheless, the test should be so planned that the dog should be “in-sight” continuously. To further the
    prior principle, the blind must be clearly marked with a conspicuous object. A blind retrieve is a test
    of control, and a dog which is out of sight for a considerable period cannot be said to be under control.
    Utilizing natural hazards should obviate the need for Judges issuing special instructions about the manner of
    completing a blind retrieve, other than to “get the meat” by the shortest, fastest, or most direct route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    here is the text of the letter from AKC

    a recent change to the Field Trial Rules and Standard Procedures for
    Retrievers effective March 2, 2020. This change originated from the Retriever Field Trial Advisory
    Committee and was approved by the AKC Board of Directors.
    This change requires that when setting up a blind retrieve, the blind should be clearly marked with a
    conspicuous object, so it is visible to the handler.
    The exact wording of this change is underlined and will appear in the next printing of the rules as follows:
    Supplement to The Standard Procedure. Part I – Trial Procedure. Paragraph 8.
    On “blind” retrieves, whenever possible, the Judges should plan their tests in such a way that they
    take advantage of natural hazards, such as islands, points of land, sand bars, ditches, hedges, small bushes,
    adjacent heavy cover, and rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it should be possible, at least in
    theory, for a dog to “find” a well-planned blind-retrieve on the initial line from his handler; that he will do
    so is highly improbable because of those natural hazards, so he must be handled to the “blind.”
    Nevertheless, the test should be so planned that the dog should be “in-sight” continuously. To further the
    prior principle, the blind must be clearly marked with a conspicuous object. A blind retrieve is a test
    of control, and a dog which is out of sight for a considerable period cannot be said to be under control.
    Utilizing natural hazards should obviate the need for Judges issuing special instructions about the manner of
    completing a blind retrieve, other than to “get the meat” by the shortest, fastest, or most direct route.

    And here it is straight from the regulations:
    On “blind’’ retrieves, wherever possible, the Judges should plan their tests in such a way that they take advantage of natural hazards, such as islands, points of land, sand bars, ditches, hedges, small bushes, adjacent heavy cover, and rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it should be possible, at least in theory, for a dog to “find’’ a well-planned blind-retrieve on the initial line from his handler; that he will do so is highly improbable because of those natural hazards, so he must be handled to the “blind.’’ Nevertheless, the test should be so planned that the dog should be “in-sight’’ continuously. A blind retrieve is a test of control, and a dog which is out of sight for a considerable period cannot be said to be under control. Utilizing natural hazards should obviate the need for Judges issuing special instructions about the manner of completing a blind retrieve, other than to “get the meat’’ by the shortest, fastest, or most direct route.
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    not arguing with you PY , I was just posting the info based on the latest letter from the performance dept that I referred to

    https://www.akc.org/sports/retriever...announcements/
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    "..should be so planned that the dog should be “in-sight” continuously. To further the
    prior principle, the blind must be clearly marked.."

    Different wording indicates a different emphasis to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    There is no change in the regulations as to the dog being in sight continuously. That has been there at least since 2002, when I started judging FT's. The addition speaks only to how the end of the blind is to be marked, which is extremely reasonable. Who doesn't want to know when their dog is at the end of the blind? -Paul
    That has been in the rule book since my rules awareness began in the mid 1970s. The only change is the mandatory marking of the blind which I consider a good thing.

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    About time

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