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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    You haven't been to many trials lately, have you? You won't see too many "otter" tails, at least not out my way. People are worried about what the front end of the dog does, not the back end.

    You may be looking at their tail when they are pinning 400 yard marks but trust me - you won't notice it lol



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    There are plenty of good looking dogs at field trials that don't look like whippets. My two cents. I, for one, get more enjoyment out of running a trial with a dog that somewhat looks like a lab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    curly or crooked? Some are good some are not but they’re all ugly, IMO there is no more distracting physical feature in a Labrador than a long skinny curly tail.
    I think the head is the most distinguishing feature of the Lab, but the tail is a close 2nd. Not a fan of straying too far from the standard on either.
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    So you get a pup that doesn't have the classic otter tail. What do you do? Neuter it and give it away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    So you get a pup that doesn't have the classic otter tail. What do you do? Neuter it and give it away?
    In my opinion, a dog can make outstanding working stock but not qualify as breeding stock. If I want a dog solely for hunt tests, hunting or field trials, I'm not going to be as concerned about physical appearance. As some have noted here, who cares what a dog's tail looks like when he's returning with the last bird of a National?

    On the other hand, if I'm selecting breeding stock, I'm looking at the "whole dog". This includes conformation, health, performance, disposition, pedigree, and a number of other traits.
    As someone noted here, there's no such thing as a perfect dog. But if I choose to breed a litter, I have to have a vision of what type of dog I'm trying to produce. For me, many outstanding performers are disqualified by conformation issues. Many dogs who are closer to my conformational ideal may not have the talent or trainability I'm looking for.

    Some seem to think that one must choose between breeding acceptable conformation or breeding for talent. I don't believe that is necessarily true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    You haven't been to many trials lately, have you? You won't see too many "otter" tails, at least not out my way. People are worried about what the front end of the dog does, not the back end.

    You may be looking at their tail when they are pinning 400 yard marks but trust me - you won't notice it lol


    And that is the problem! Many snobby posters on here constantly play the "Mr. Perfect" card all the time. " Shouldn't breed if no health, shouldn't breed if not gonna run contests, shouldnt breed if not tons of titles, labs are no good if no ribbons" etc etc. Yet a labrador that looks like husky mixed with a greyhound is just fine??? Skinny nose, long skinny legs, curly tail??? That is not what a labrador's history proves. This site runs wild with hypocrisy. When labs were originally founded and used as meat dogs back in the day...there was no trials etc. They were developed from mixing breeds and yes pointers of sorts were in the mix. A lab without a square head, stout shoulders and an otter tail is cheating the system. Are there exceptions to littlers? Sure you get pups that have less than desirable traits on occasion but many of you are splitting hairs to what YOU like. So many of you say.." are you bettering the breed?" Good lord are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    So you get a pup that doesn't have the classic otter tail. What do you do? Neuter it and give it away?
    There is a wide variation between an “otter tail” and a long curly tail that looks like a scorpion’s tail. If you buy a puppy without looking at the parents you don’t care and if you get that tail you just accept it and hope the dog is really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    You haven't been to many trials lately, have you?
    I have been to quite a few, how about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    I have been to quite a few, how about you?
    Yeah, I wondered where that question came from. Do Nationals count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    There is a wide variation between an “otter tail” and a long curly tail that looks like a scorpion’s tail. If you buy a puppy without looking at the parents you don’t care and if you get that tail you just accept it and hope the dog is really good.
    Thanks, Ed. My question was meant to be rhetorical, but gave you gave credibility to my thoughts on this.
    In 30 plus years I don't think I have ever had a dog that wasn't leggy, have a narrow snout, or have a curved tail.
    Maybe next time.
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