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    Why does there have to be A "top stud"? Better to have different choices for different females for a better fit than to create another bottleneck. Most of the people wanting to know the top stud is just because they don't want to research what is best for them. Many studs are NOT prepotent, and many may not nick well with all lines of females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErinsEdge View Post
    Many studs are NOT prepotent, and many may not nick well with all lines of females.
    While we agree on the definition of prepotentcy we may not agree on the standard but for me, in my almost 50 years in retrievers, there have only been a handful of truly prepotent sires.

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    That should have been a 1,2 instead of an and, but there have been many outstanding females that have produced with multiple different top males. There must be something special on that extra X chromosome when it's doubled up. Are XXX females produced in dogs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg0211 View Post
    what reason would that be?
    You obviously went all the way back to the start of this thread, which was 2012, to pull up this quote, but you must have missed what else I said regarding this statement: "Yes, but not nearly as much as he could or would if he were EIC clear, in all likelihood. That was my point, someone asked why certain accomplished studs don't get bred more, the two mentioned were EIC carriers, which DOES impact a stud's choices & breeding, regardless of how many other wonderful attributes a dog might have. . . There can be other factors, but EIC carrier status seems to be a common (stupid, IMO, but that's another argument) denominator. "

    There is a little less stigma now, 7 years later, more people are willing to breed to EIC carrier studs, particularly if they are producing the desired offspring, but it is still an impact on a stud getting less breedings than an EIC clear, overall. Just because of how many EIC carrier females cannot be bred to them, aside from those who still think carriers should not be bred at all.
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    Now you're gonna have every 2 year old derby and open hopeful wanting to run at your place pete...hahalol

    I did not think it was possible for a derby dog to hold a laser guided line at such a distance with such a technical water memory bird. The open was held down the road. If your in the area give me a call and we'll play with some doggies.
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    I agree with Paul on Ford and Stryder. Super cool dogs that are producing. Floyd is by Kid. Kid has produced some very nice pups, obviously, that can mark and have intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Now you're gonna have every 2 year old derby and open hopeful wanting to run at your place pete...hahalol

    I did not think it was possible for a derby dog to hold a laser guided line at such a distance with such a technical water memory bird. The open was held down the road. If your in the area give me a call and we'll play with some doggies.
    Pete
    It was a very cool and spectacular weekend for sure. John and Amies dogs will always excell at doing technical water. No doubt about that 🙂 always great seeing you. See you in spring time Pete. Always a great time! Stay warm brother!
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