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I am an amateur. I have one dog and have done hunt tests, but not field trials. Looking to get another dog either out of ACES HIGH III or BARRACUDA BLUE. All else being equal, what dog is most likely to sire a good field trial prospect for a "rookie" amateur and one that will also hunt?
 

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I Don't know anything about Aces High, But I have found that the B.Blue line has done pretty good with amateurs. He and several of his offspring have been taken into upper status by amateurs, now these might've been very knowledgeable talented amateurs. But the Blue line has always seemed pretty user friendly to me ;).

PB & J Clause: these are Generalizations and it always depends on the bitch;)
 

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PB & J Clause: these are Generalizations and it always depends on the bitch;)
Who are these two studs bred to? each pup is only 50% from the stud
 

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I have no experience with Aces High line, but i have a 6 month old barracuda blue grand daughter. Pup has extremely high drive and is very trainable, she seems to pick up on training very quickly without regression.
 

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Dam is my training partner's dad's dog. He gave a dog to his dad from the breeding of his two dogs. His dog Scout is one of the youngest chocolates ever to compete in the SRS and had is HRCH, UH & MH title before 2 yrs and did it flawlessly. Rody Best did the finish work on Scout and said he's one of the best dogs he 's ever seen, not just worked with. Bouy (Scout's daughter) is just a hunting dog. His dad does not run her. But she is incredible. I mean incredible.

My dog Dutch just got his MH in 5 straight and HRCH in 4 straight as a 2 yr old (my first dog to own/train), and Bouy has 10x's the talent my dog has, and only gets worked when my friend goes and gets her from his dad. His dad is going to let him breed her once and then fix her, so we wanted to get the best dog we possibly could out of her.
 

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I have a 13 week old chocolate female puppy out of Aces High III, and she is a fire ball, had her retrieving baseballs out to 35 yards 3 days after bring her home at 7 weeks. Now she is retrieveing bumpers shot out of the launcher at 85 yards plus, and starting small pile work in the yard and three direction casting. But the bitch side of whichever litter you choose needs to be very solid too. She is a NFC Chopper granddaughter on her dam's side.
 

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Excuse me for a dumb question but : These two stud dogs have been dead for 10 or 15 years. Has the use of frozen and AI/surgical become that common???

Just curious, when I stopped my breeding program frozen/chilled was starting to gain traction. It was not really used much at that time.

P.S. I've been out of the loop for awhile (raised a family) and have been impressed with the advances in the retriever world in the last 15++ years.

Thank you, Randy
 

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Excuse me for a dumb question but : These two stud dogs have been dead for 10 or 15 years. Has the use of frozen and AI/surgical become that common???

Just curious, when I stopped my breeding program frozen/chilled was starting to gain traction. It was not really used much at that time.

P.S. I've been out of the loop for awhile (raised a family) and have been impressed with the advances in the retriever world in the last 15++ years.

Thank you, Randy
Yes, use of frozen surgical AI and fresh extended semen is much more common in the last 10 years.
 

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You may want to start with contacting the stud owners, some won't use what frozen they have left on an untitled bitch, Willie's site in particular lays out the requirements. http://www.aceshighiii.com/AtStud.html Doesn't hurt to ask of course, but might want to know if you can before you go any further.
 

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You may want to start with contacting the stud owners, some won't use what frozen they have left on an untitled bitch, Willie's site in particular lays out the requirements. http://www.aceshighiii.com/AtStud.html Doesn't hurt to ask of course, but might want to know if you can before you go any further.
Also, if the female has never been bred you may not be sold the frozen semen because I'm sure there are limited quantities and the fertility of the female is unknown. I would seriously consider a natural breeding. As far as Cuda, the male I have would been a handful for an amateur but his dam went back to Super Powder lines. There are a lot of good FC around but are you only looking for chocolate or chocolate factored?
 

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Either - chocolate or chocolate factored. We are just looking for the best sire.
 

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Do you have any pedigree info on the female?

Here are some of the chocolate and chocolate factored studs that I watch out for (not that I'm buying- but I can dream!):
FC-AFC It’s All Over Now Baby Blue "Blue"
FC-AFC Land Ahoy "Pirate" is a Barracuda Blue grandson
FC-AFC Tiger McBunn "Tiger"
FC-AFC High Tech CEO "Gates" (littermate to Tiger)
FC-AFC Running With the Devil "Devil"
2000 NAFTCH FTCH AFTCH Quik Windstorm "Chip"
FC-AFC Barracuda Blue
FC-AFC Cuda's Blue Ryder "Ryder"
AFC Wing Magic's Louisiana Roux "Roux"
FC AFC Way-Da -Go Call Of The Wild "Drake"

I need to learn more about Aces High III (I know nearly nothing about him). I do see, though that he apparently produced 3 national champions:
NFC-AFC Lucyana's Fast Willie
CNFC-CAFC Call Me Mister Independence
CNAFC-FC Free Trade

If I had a highly qualified female with a good pedigree, I think I would look really hard at Devil, due to his ability to throw national-caliber pups. If she was chocolate, I would consider non-chocolate factored studs with proven production records.

If I had a promising female that didn't have the track record to qualify for a stud with limited availability, I would look at what kind of pups the more readily available studs have produced when coupled with females similar to mine.
 

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Also, if the female has never been bred you may not be sold the frozen semen because I'm sure there are limited quantities and the fertility of the female is unknown. I would seriously consider a natural breeding.
That is my predicament. I have a maiden bitch whose fertility is unknown. While I would like to go back in her pedigree and use the frozen sperm of some great... I won't be doing it for her first breeding.

Her first breeding will have to be a natural or "maybe" a side by side AI providing the stud dog is relatively young (no older than 8 years) and his sperm has been tested and is viable.

I've been thinking of an uncle to niece breeding. Am watching an uncle to see what he produces. No hurry. Got another year to ponder.

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This is the Pedigree of Scout, her sire. I will have to get her dam's.

HRCH UH Scout Heinrich MH

FC AFC Rippin' Blue Thunder ( BLK )
NFC FC AFC STORM'S RIPTIDE STAR ( CHOC )
FC AFC Belle's Star Emmy Lou ( BLK )
Lonestar's Maximum Risk QAA ( CHOC )
CFC-CAFC Pachanga Magnum Force ( CHOC )
FC AFC HRCH Gator Pt's Sweet Potato Pie ( CHOC )
HRCH Gator Pt's Roc N Moon Pie MH ( CHOC )


2xNAFC 2xCNAFC FC CFC Ebonstar Lean Mac ( BLK )
FC/AFC Whitie IV ( BLK )
NAFC(98)-FC Hattie McBunn ( BLK )
Holman's Lightning Belle ( CHOC )
GRHRCH Daphne's Chocolate Thunder MH ( CHOC )
HRCH Gras-land's Thunder'n Belle ( CHOC )
HRCH Irish Mocha Mint VI SH ( CHOC )
 
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