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Bob Gutermuth said:
http://www.akc.org/mixedbreed_survey/

What a revoltin development this could be. I wonder what solon on madison Ave dreamed up this idea?? :x
Help me out. I'm not sure what would make it revolting? If they had their own classes and had to be spayed and neutered?

Sure, it's a way to make AKC money...

But I know I'm not the only one who has mutts in addition to my registered dogs. And if I DID do obedience or something like it, I wouldn't mind entering my mutts and taking them on a trip for the weekend...

What do you think is that bad thing about it?

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Kristie Wilder said:
What do you think is that bad thing about it?
Our local OB club currently offers classes to mix-breeds but would not allow mix-breeds in competition even if AKC permitted.

The thought is first that it is a good thing to help these owners and their dogs. However second, the fancy should not do anything that encourages their propagation or sanctions their existence.
 

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At the Foundation of all pure breeds are mixed breeds.
Nuter and Spay them and bring 'em on 8)
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john fallon said:
At the Foundation of all pure breeds are mixed breeds.
Not exactly true, it depends how you look at it. In almost all cases of purebreds, they are the product of the mixing of other purebreds, not the product of mix-breeds.

Nuter and Spay them and bring 'em on 8)
You mean "neuter."

In any case, I personally believe in the validity of the proverb of what happens when you allow the camel's nose inside the tent -- eventually it knocks the whole thing down. :?
 
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AmiableLabs said:
Kristie Wilder said:
What do you think is that bad thing about it?
Our local OB club currently offers classes to mix-breeds but would not allow mix-breeds in competition even if AKC permitted.

The thought is first that it is a good thing to help these owners and their dogs. However second, the fancy should not do anything that encourages their propagation or sanctions their existence.
I would be really suprised if this would hold true. I would GUESS, not sure, but GUESS, that many OB competitors that run purebreeds have mutts. NOT that they want to breed mutts. And if a mutt obtains a title, it can't be bred anyway...

I just don't see what's wrong with this. It's simply a revenue plot by AKC, but that's just business.

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AmiableLabs said:
john fallon said:
At the Foundation of all pure breeds are mixed breeds.
Not exactly true, it depends how you look at it. In almost all cases of purebreds, they are the product of the mixing of other purebreds, not the product of mix-breeds.
Take a deep breath and reflect on what you have written here. :wink:

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I knew there was going to be a place for labradoodles and goldendoodles. :lol:
 

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AKC Agility imposes trial size limits.

For the popular trials, an entry not sent in on the opening day is not likely to get in. Opening day is typically months in advance of the trial date.

Increase the number of eligible dogs and it may be even tougher to get in.

And don't think that folks won't start breeding designer dogs for size and speed. I've already seen a second breeding with a Border Collie/Jack Russell (Border Jack) for competition in another venue. Even if the individual competing is spayed, the breeder may continue to provide dogs for folks to compete with.
 

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john fallon said:
AmiableLabs said:
john fallon said:
At the Foundation of all pure breeds are mixed breeds.
Not exactly true, it depends how you look at it. In almost all cases of purebreds, they are the product of the mixing of other purebreds, not the product of mix-breeds.
Take a deep breath and reflect on what you have written here. :wink:
Precisely why I said "It depends on how you look at it."
 

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I hope it passes I have mutts in addition to my two purebreds and would love to compete in obedience, rally and agility with my aussi mix as he excells in it and be able to bring him along to the dog shows. I dont see the harm they would have to be spayed or neutered and would have there own classes. I think it is a great thing esspecially for those kids out there who own mutts and cant compete and there parents will only allow them to have one dog. I had to wait 24 years to start showing and competing becuase I only had mutts until that time. I dont think it is a bad idea at all and I for one 100% support it.

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I took the suvey and voted against the concept of mixed breeds in AKC competitions.
This change would negate the purpose of the AKC.
In its own words: "The AKC was formed principally for the protection and advancement of purebred dogs."
In addition its charter states:"...and generally to do everything to advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running, and maintance of the purity of thoroughbred dogs."
(both of these statements can be found in the Foreword of your AKC rule book)

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I also took the survey and in the comments portion I made sure to let them know that it seamed like a way for them to raise more money. I also bet that some of the breed clubs that put these on would flat refuse to continue to put them on. As far as I am concerned this is the same as a few of the most recent breeds to be reconized by AKC that alot of its members did not want them to. If the need is so great to have these dogs compete than the should ban together and do so and they can have as many events as they wish. I am not a purebred snob but whats the point, no points not improving the breed.
 

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Steve Amrein said:
I also took the survey and in the comments portion I made sure to let them know that it seamed like a way for them to raise more money. I also bet that some of the breed clubs that put these on would flat refuse to continue to put them on. As far as I am concerned this is the same as a few of the most recent breeds to be reconized by AKC that alot of its members did not want them to. If the need is so great to have these dogs compete than the should ban together and do so and they can have as many events as they wish. I am not a purebred snob but whats the point, no points not improving the breed.
The point is those of us that have to travel 3+ hours for events can take our mixed breeds also and have fun with them instead of having to leave them at home and rush home to take care of them. I know around here the shows are hardly ever full to where purebreds cant get in so why not be able to fill those classes instead of having them sit empty.

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I'm confused.

A dog that is unregisterable but looks(?) purebred can already get an ILP from AKC.

ILP's are supposed to be for purebreds with lost records, lost dogs and so on. AKC looks at a picture and identifies the dog as a purebred and deserving of an ILP, or not.

A dog with an ILP can then run in many of the same events the purebred dog is allowed to participate in. If you run Retriever Hunt Tests, you may very well have already run next to a dog with an ILP.

I've seen a lot of mixed breeds that look like retrievers of various sorts. Many seem to have hunting and retrieving instincts. I bet a trainer could do interesting things with some of them.

This is from AKC's website.

What AKC events may an ILP dog Participate in?
The Indefinite Listing Privilege Program (ILP) is designed to allow dogs to participate in AKC Companion and Performance Events. The AKC Events that an ILP dog can participate in are:
Agility Trials (All Breeds)
Earthdog Trials (Small Terriers and Dachshunds)
Herding Tests and Trials ( Herding Breeds, Rottweilers and Samoyeds)
Hunt Tests (Most Sporting Breeds and Standard Poodles)
Junior Showmanship (All Breeds)
Lure Coursing (Sighthounds)
Obedience Trials (All Breeds)
Rally Trials (All Breeds)
Tracking Tests (All Breeds)
 

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One of the dumber things AKC has proposed..... :x

They got my survey along with a scathing letter....

You can't talk outta both sides of your mouth regards.

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Tim you hit the nail on the head. AKC is supposed to be about PUREBRED DOGS, what is so hard to understand about that. I am firmlyagainst the legitimization of labradoodles goldenoodles or any other designer dogs(mutts in my book)and the subsequent upping of their price on the puppy market.

I just looked at the AKC web site. On the Secretary's page where they list disciplinary action, the majority of them are for "conduct prejudicial to the interest of PUREBRED DOGS" .
 
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