[Trevor Toberny]

When starting back to pile how far do you stretch them out before you start forcing to the pile.Also how far do you stretch them before you start your overs or do yall do your overs the same time you are doing your backs?Thanks

 

[Trevor Toberny]

anyone?

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

Once I have done the baseball stuff and I'm ready to start back to a pile I stretch them out to about 100 yards on the first day. Start short, identify the pile, back up send them again, backup etc. in a mowed field with visable bumpers you should have no real problems getting them to do this. If so, shorten it up, keep a bumper in the back pocket to throw and help with confusion. I don't introduce force at all until they demonstrate they remember where the pile is and then its force enroute. I don't force from my side until much later.

/Paul

 

[Trevor Toberny]

you said after you do baseball you start back to the pile.If your doing baseball wouldnt you have already done backs since they are doing overs and back to 2nd base?Not trying to argue just trying to understand.
I just thought I was suppose to do back to pile then Force to pile then start overs and force on the overs then do baseball and T.

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

Here's how I flow....

• 
  FF on table
  FF transition to ground
  Walking fetch
  Fetch to "short pile" - roughly 10 yards
  Baseball - back pile is roughly 20 yards - over piles are roughly equal. done with no force and attrition only, done to teach casting
  FTP on T-Pattern field
  Full T
  Pattern blinds
  Cold blinds

This way i have good fetch response with pressure and the dog has a basic understanding of casting before moving to the bigger pattern field.

/Paul

 

[Trevor Toberny]

oh ok. I was going to back to pile then force to pile before I started overs but like your guidline.