[JParsley]

If someone says "so and so did the basics on a dog", what is a basic trained dog? The young dog trainer got me wondering.

Thanks.

 

[trog]

basics dog

I would think that it is one that is ready to start transition work. It would be a dog that has been through a formal collar program. This means to me the dog would be:
force fetched
forced to pile
casting drills done
swim by done
pattern blinds done
multiple marks started
has had a lot of marks as singles with multiple guns if field

he would be ready to
start cold blinds
cheating singles
more complicated multiple marks
etc.

trog

 

[Evan]

While there are surely fieldwork components involved during the training of Basics, the actual steps and skills are mechanical.

The components of Basics in order
1. “Here”
2. “Heel & Sit”
3. “Hold”; automatically evolves to Walking “Hold, Heel, Sit”
4. “Fetch”; ear pinch, CC-to-"Fetch", which evolves into Walking “Fetch” & “Fetch-no-fetch”
5. Pile work, including Mini-pile, Nine bumper pile; AKA Force to pile
6. 3-handed casting; teaching the 3 basic casts – “Back” and both “Over’s”, including 2-hands “Back”
7. Mini tee; includes collar conditioning to all basic commands, transferring to the go, stop, cast functions in micro dimension as preparation for the Single tee. Also includes De-bolting
8. Single tee
9. Double tee
10. Water tee with Swim-by

This how my system evolves, and is nearly parallel to Carr basics.

Evan

 

[Lil Dikens Kennels]

I would ask them for their definition of "Basic"
Many people have different views of basic or started

 

[ducksoup]

I would think Evan has covered Basics really well -- that would be my definition too

 

[Polock]

While there are surely fieldwork components involved during the training of Basics, the actual steps and skills are mechanical.

The components of Basics in order
1. “Here”
2. “Heel & Sit”
3. “Hold”; automatically evolves to Walking “Hold, Heel, Sit”
4. “Fetch”; ear pinch, CC-to-"Fetch", which evolves into Walking “Fetch” & “Fetch-no-fetch”
5. Pile work, including Mini-pile, Nine bumper pile; AKA Force to pile
6. 3-handed casting; teaching the 3 basic casts – “Back” and both “Over’s”, including 2-hands “Back”
7. Mini tee; includes collar conditioning to all basic commands, transferring to the go, stop, cast functions in micro dimension as preparation for the Single tee. Also includes De-bolting
8. Single tee
9. Double tee
10. Water tee with Swim-by

This how my system evolves, and is nearly parallel to Carr basics.

Evan

So when ya think about time envolvement...............you're looking at a pup from 5 mos through a year to a year & half to get through basics folks..........and that's an average............ 8)

Then and only then are ya ready to move on..........and I'm not talkin' trials here...................but Transition............ :wink:

 

[ducktrickster]

another question

Why are field trialers so interested in who did the basics on certain dogs. I have been asked that question over and over.

 

[FOM]

Re: another question

Why are field trialers so interested in who did the basics on certain dogs. I have been asked that question over and over.

"Basics" are named that for a reason - it is the foundation of what everything else is built on....so having SOLID basics is a good thing....

Just my take,

FOM

 

[ducksoup]

FTers may ask who did Basics on a particular dog because if that dog were up for sale they might want to know if the Basics done on dog were compatible with their own pro's program (or their own training program if they didn't use a pro)

 

[meleagris]

Why are field trialers so interested in who did the basics on certain dogs. I have been asked that question over and over.

"Basics" are named that for a reason - it is the foundation of what everything else is built on....so having SOLID basics is a good thing....

Just my take,

FOM

Lainee is completely right. Incomplete or substandard basics will keep a dog from ever being able to succeed. Having a great pro do basics means your dog has the best chance to succeed and less time an AA pro has to spend going back over basics. Once basics are done right building skills is easy.

In some cases, who doesthe basics is very important for who will get the dog in for AA training. A dog who goes to a basics trainer who is "lighthanded" shouldn't be sent to a "heavyhanded" AA pro.

John
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