In the states where I usually run, flyers are not often shot in Junior anymore. It always seemed to me that clubs would often put they worst, or least experienced, gunners in Junior. I always thought that the best gunners should be in Junior. I recall one test many years ago when the Junior gunners were either totally missing birds, or if they did hit them, they were ragging them. I brought a dog to the line and the gunners blew his bird to pieces. I swear I saw 5 pieces fall out of the sky. The judges didn't call a "no-bird". I sent the dog, he flew out there and picked up I guess the biggest piece he could find. He came running back and 10 feet from the judges and me, stopped, hiked his leg and peed without dropping the piece of bird, then came to heel and delivered the piece. I laughed, turned to the judges and said, "I'm pretty sure that was his comment on the gunners". 😂The one thing I would love to see in all lower-level tests--AKC junior/UKC started--or as a stand-alone test in higher levels--is every entrant must pick up one crippled bird. It would be great if there was some sort of fair-to-all entrants way to test for picking up a crippled/disabled bird. I understand this would be against AKC and UKC rules to intentionally use disabled birds. Too bad because picking up cripples is such a valuable part of a bird dog's skills.