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Someone in my training group has a Boykin that must be about a year old. Within the last couple of months, she acts like her rear legs are stiff. She doesn't really run for the bumper and I believe that this week she trotted out and wouldn't pick up. A trip to the vet and several x rays of the hips, spine, and neck showed no abnormalities. Previously she had rested the dog, came back looking better but within a couple of sessions acted stiff again. She will be following up with specialists. Also tested negative for tick borne diseases.

What should the vets be looking for?

What health issues if any do Boykins have that might be considered?

Any input is appreciated.
 

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Could be Exercise Induced Collapse depending on exactly what you mean as "stiff legs"...

Are you familiar with EIC symptoms? There is a sticky at the top of the page to the U of MN web site.
http://www.vdl.umn.edu/ourservices/canineneuromuscular/eic/home.html

In working with the U of MN, I participated in the early DNA testing of Boykin Spaniels for EIC. Out of four of my own Boykin Spaniels, two were tested EIC clear, one tested EIC carrier, and one affected (never had a collapse). All had totally different bloodlines.

Videos of collapse episodes are on the U of MN web link reference above for reference.

Even now years later, many vets have never even heard of EIC or know what breeds are impacted. I was contacted a few months ago by an individual that had spent thousands in diagnostic testing at a vet hospital, with still no diagnosis. I explained to her what the symptoms looked like, directed her to the U of MN, and after EIC testing, the Boykin was identified by DNA as affected.

Of course, normal overheating and hypoglecemia are fairly common also.

http://www.gundogdoc.com/library/overheathypogly.html

The other conditions that show similiar presentation are also described on the U of MN web site.

I am sure the dog has already been checked by the vet for heart murmor or luxating patella which are also issues in some lines.

Regarding not picking up the bumper, is it a training issue? What level of training has the dog had? Is the dog force fetched yet?
 

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Could be Exercise Induced Collapse depending on exactly what you mean as "stiff legs"...

Are you familiar with EIC symptoms? There is a sticky at the top of the page to the U of MN web site.
http://www.vdl.umn.edu/ourservices/canineneuromuscular/eic/home.html

In working with the U of MN, I participated in the early DNA testing of Boykin Spaniels for EIC. Out of four of my own Boykin Spaniels, two were tested EIC clear, one tested EIC carrier, and one affected (never had a collapse). All had totally different bloodlines.

Videos of collapse episodes are on the U of MN web link reference above for reference.

Even now years later, many vets have never even heard of EIC or know what breeds are impacted. I was contacted a few months ago by an individual that had spent thousands in diagnostic testing at a vet hospital, with still no diagnosis. I explained to her what the symptoms looked like, directed her to the U of MN, and after EIC testing, the Boykin was identified by DNA as affected.

Of course, normal overheating and hypoglecemia are fairly common also.

http://www.gundogdoc.com/library/overheathypogly.html

The other conditions that show similiar presentation are also described on the U of MN web site.

I am sure the dog has already been checked by the vet for heart murmor or luxating patella which are also issues in some lines.

Regarding not picking up the bumper, is it a training issue? What level of training has the dog had? Is the dog force fetched yet?
First, thank you for all the info. I was present but did not witness the event but I think it was suggested that she was in pain when she got to the bumper and wouldn't pick up. This is an excellent working dog.

Secondly, I don't think this dog has been force fetched yet. However, it was not felt that this was the issue.
 

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If you look at the Boykin Society there when I was breeding the dog there was only 1or2 with ecellent hips this was afew years ago . At that time they where just starting to do the hips . My bitch only had fair hips . I would check them first. Good Luck
 

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If you look at the Boykin Society there when I was breeding the dog there was only 1or2 with ecellent hips this was afew years ago . At that time they where just starting to do the hips . My bitch only had fair hips . I would check them first. Good Luck
The OP already stated the dogs hips were xrayed by the vet.

But your correct, 15 years ago when I started by Boykin breeding program there were only 2 OFA excellents recorded. In the last few years I have been fortunate to include 2 OFA excellent rated dogs in my breeding program along with OFA Goods.

However, the Boykin Spaniel still has the #14 incidence of HD justed upgraded this year. Last year it was #13 in incidence.
 

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Please excuse my ignorance but do HD symptoms show as early as a year? I always thought it was a later in life kinda thing.

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Please excuse my ignorance but do HD symptoms show as early as a year? I always thought it was a later in life kinda thing.

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I have seen the symptoms as early as 6 months, but if xrays are clean than HD should have been ruled out
 

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Please excuse my ignorance but do HD symptoms show as early as a year? I always thought it was a later in life kinda thing.

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My boxer started to go lame in his left FRONT leg. Vet suggested a sprain and kennel rest. He was better with rest, but it wasn't long until he went lame again.
Vet suggested then HD, did the x-rays, Showed very clear signs of HD.
Dog was 4 months old.

She said his front legs were tired from holding his weight off his back legs. He got a lot better as he grew into himself, and now he shows very little lameness. However we already know surgery is a "when" and not an "if" or "Maybe".
 

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Does the dog get stiff just when training or does it happen at home too?
I spoke to the owners husband today. He says it has never happened at home and this includes when he throws bumpers for her. He also took her out to our training grounds and ran her with no symptoms.
 

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George,
Not only did I notice the dog having trouble returning with the bumpers but so did two other people.
One of those people is retired from training Guide Dogs for the blind. The other person has been involved in dogs for over thirty years.
Something is going on in the rear end with this dog.
Owner was advised to obtain a second vet opinion.
 

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I would still maybe run the EIC test. The excitement of the training group could bring on the start of a collapse. It may not be the activity or the grounds just when its more people.

We took in a rescue 2 years ago that had been here for over a month and my brother came to visit and was throwing her fun bumpers and the excitement of him brought on a collapse. We had no idea she was affected until that point.
 

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No guns used, birds used every so often and it is a very small group..Maybe 5 people with 5 dogs and sometimes less
Another good vet opinion should be obtained.
JMOP
 

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No guns used, birds used every so often and it is a very small group..Maybe 5 people with 5 dogs and sometimes less
Another good vet opinion should be obtained.
JMOP
I agree.
By the way, the links that frontier gave are excellent.
 

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I really think that EIC should be considered as a possibility in this case.
 

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I don't know.
 
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