RetrieverTraining.Net - the RTF banner
1 - 20 of 27 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
63 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I am encountering some serious problems with my blm. He did great growing up. Anything I showed him he did great. Well we collar conditioned our pups the other day(me and my friend ex-trainer) are collar conditioning our pups on obidience and his flew threw it, and the pups are brothers. And mine didn't do so hot. He had a hole that we had to go back and fix on sit. When we apply the pressure of here. We would put him sitting walk about 10 yards away and call him here and he wouldn't stay sitting because he was so worried about comming to me to avoid the pressure. We went back and made sure he understood sit and made sure he knew not to get up before telling him here. Well yesterday we tried again and the same problem has occurred he won't stay sitting. We take him back put him sitting give him a whip with the healing stick and try again but nothing seems to fix it. Any help would really be appreciated. Sorry for the long post. Thanks in advance!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
63 Posts
Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Im sorry didn't mean to put when I call him here he won't stay sitting I meant before I tell him here he gets up!!
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
5,856 Posts
Keep putting him back and remove pressure for a while. You may want to try introducing the collar with sit at your side to start.

Angie
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
12,599 Posts
with a 6 foot rope on him, can you walk in a circle round him while he is on sit?
how many days on sit did you spend, in your CC?
are you thinking you are going to CC in one day?
who's CC method are you following?


.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,219 Posts
Review sit , like Ken said, then tie him to a tree and work on sit away from you, totally separate sit and here...

Get rid of the whip!! (for now)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,168 Posts
Was the other day your first time ever putting the collar on your pup?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,411 Posts
WOW.. Get this!! Gooser givin advice for "sit" problems!:p

What Ken said....

Also you can PROOF your "sit",, by a steady pull towards you with that rope.. The dog SHOULD plant its feet and resist movement towards you...

I personally would not CC to sit untill the pup will do this...

Gooser
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
63 Posts
My pup was doing the same thing, but she would stay at sit and literally drag her bottom on the ground while walking to me. It was the funniest thing. She did this until she was about 6 months old. I got her late as she was the last of the litter that the owner was keeping then decided not to because his work schedule changed. He never worked with her so I didn't get to start training her until she was four months old.

Once I taught her wait and she was understanding, I would tell her to sit then wait, and i would walk off. I started with short distances and worked my way up, and that fixed the problem.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
63 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Yes I did enforce sit very well I did the thing where you walk in a circle and can pull on him and I used to be able to tug on him. And yes I did cc on sit first
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
72 Posts
Slooooow Down.

Your Dog IS NOT your buddies Dog.

Follow a CC Program.

Remain calm.

Bruz
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,013 Posts
Look at bright side, he knows what here means so he's trying to get to you. That's why Evan uses another person to hold the dog on rope.

Let's see I'm a dog and you are applying pressure to get me to come to you, but you also want me to not come to you and sit....I'm confused!!!!!!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,502 Posts
If you get a chance you should view Bill Hillmanns DVD or go to his web site and view those videos. Excellent info on sit means sit and walking around your dog reinforcing sit command. :)

http://www.billhillmann.net/index.html
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,602 Posts
About nine years ago I wrote this to myself.

"What to do? What to do? If you're new at training and encounter a problem while working a sequential program, the best way to progress through it is to find someone with experience willing to watch you train your dog. If they are a good teacher (and that is the key), their advice can be like "gold". Knowing when and who to ask for help is critical. It's usually the "little things" which trip you up. Obtaining specific and correct information is much more likely to occur when the training issue is seen in the proper context."

I'm not trying to be critical, but it sounds to me that you and your "ex-trainer" friend have not figured out what the problem is. Forget about what his pup has done. It appears your pup is confused. As a general rule, simplification is often useful.

Expecting the pup to do the right thing and/or trying to make him do it are generally less effective than showing him what you want. Enforcing is way more effective after teaching. What's with the whip? Has the pup had any work on responding properly (pressure conditioning)?

You still haven't told anyone how old the pup is or what program you are following....both of which makes providing helpful suggestions more like "shots in the dark".
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
244 Posts
How did u cc to here? If u used evan's method, then it's a good thing the dog is trying to get to u while ur buddy holds on to him. Then u move on to heel and sit
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
798 Posts
Here's what happens sometimes. You practice sit ,sit sit. Yup- dog knows it. Now practice here, here, here. How long does it take for the dog to anticipate that after sitting him, you are going to call him? Now add pressure to the mix, and he's going to be even more eager to come to you- after all, he knows it's inevitable, because that's what you've been working on .... what kind of dummy sits around and waits for the pressure?

Make sure that you are mixing up your sits and heres. Make sure that when your dog behaves correctly, that you let him know by praise, pet, treat, retrieve, whatever. Preferably mix that up too. Ideally, you want him anticipating the 'goodness' of sitting just as much as the 'goodness' of complying to here... with a proper mix he won't be able to guess what the next command is, he'll be waiting for instruction.

One of the big benefits of Bill Hillmann's program is that he emphasizes balance in training. When little Nick wants to do one thing really badly (ie retrieving), Bill starts working on something else for a while (ie sitting) so that each lesson is a good mix of several exercises- which ultimately leads to a puppy that eagerly listens to each command rather than just anticipating the most common cue.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,623 Posts
About nine years ago I wrote this to myself.

"What to do? What to do? If you're new at training and encounter a problem while working a sequential program, the best way to progress through it is to find someone with experience willing to watch you train your dog. If they are a good teacher (and that is the key), their advice can be like "gold". Knowing when and who to ask for help is critical. It's usually the "little things" which trip you up. Obtaining specific and correct information is much more likely to occur when the training issue is seen in the proper context."

I'm not trying to be critical, but it sounds to me that you and your "ex-trainer" friend have not figured out what the problem is. Forget about what his pup has done. It appears your pup is confused. As a general rule, simplification is often useful.
Amen to this. The hardest thing to admit, especially when there is another dog there "flying though it," is that your dog is confused and needs simplification and/or more time to work through a particular issue. The other thing is that if you are not getting what you want from your dog, and it is not a refusal issue, then you have not properly explained to the dog what it is that you want. Train your dog and your dog only. It's much easier said than done sometimes.

It seems like if you CC to "here" then your dog's "sit" will get a little loose because he is trying to do what you want and avoid the pressure - it's what happened with my dog. I would bet that if I had CCd to "sit" then "here" would have been loose for the same reason. It just takes time, consistency, and repetition for the dog to get all this straight in his mind. Remember you are trying to establish a "go, stop, come" standard for the lifetime of the dog, so it may take more than 1 or 2 CC sessions.

I'm a rookie myself, so PM me if you want some additional suggestions that I was lucky enough to get.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
530 Posts
About nine years ago I wrote this to myself.

"What to do? What to do? If you're new at training and encounter a problem while working a sequential program, the best way to progress through it is to find someone with experience willing to watch you train your dog. If they are a good teacher (and that is the key), their advice can be like "gold". Knowing when and who to ask for help is critical. It's usually the "little things" which trip you up. Obtaining specific and correct information is much more likely to occur when the training issue is seen in the proper context."

I'm not trying to be critical, but it sounds to me that you and your "ex-trainer" friend have not figured out what the problem is. Forget about what his pup has done. It appears your pup is confused. As a general rule, simplification is often useful.

Expecting the pup to do the right thing and/or trying to make him do it are generally less effective than showing him what you want. Enforcing is way more effective after teaching. What's with the whip? Has the pup had any work on responding properly (pressure conditioning)?

You still haven't told anyone how old the pup is or what program you are following....both of which makes providing helpful suggestions more like "shots in the dark".
As always Jim, right on the money.

Bert
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
530 Posts
How did u cc to here? If u used evan's method, then it's a good thing the dog is trying to get to u while ur buddy holds on to him. Then u move on to heel and sit
Keep in mind, Evan doesn't cc to heel and sit until AFTER Force Fetch and Lardy doesn't do any CC at all till AFTER force fetch. And while many don't see that as absolutely neccessary there is a very good reason for that.

Bert
 
1 - 20 of 27 Posts
Top