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Anyone know how many Open dogs? Are the numbers insane? Got hen pheasants for training so, I sure hope like heck they use them at the trail.

Our first trail of the season. Oh boy! :?
 

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96 Open dogs entered.

They are running the first two series together. It is a long tight quad. Birds go down and then you have to heel the dog about twenty yards and run a blind. Then pick up the marks by invitation. Sounds interesting!
 

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Sounds like everyone better be on their toes!!!!

Keep us posted!!!

Ride On Little Wing!

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I assume you return to the original mat to run your marks?

Let me know how the Dogs do Franco
Not that I'm there, but yes... I can't imagine the judges doing anything different.

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Marking is of Paramount (superior to all others, supreme)importance and some dogs will not even be given the opportunity To be judged on this, the most important of the natural traits.

This type of test flies in the face of that aspect of the Rules.

From a time management standpoint two 25yd walks = a lot of minutes when X by 96 dogs. 1 min each way is 3 hrs by my calculation and that is just for the walk with the test time still to be added.

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From a time management standpoint
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They ran 6.4 dogs an hour. They won't finish the first two series till Sat afternoon. In 10 hours Friday they ran 64 dogs and did partial callbacks, calling back 16. We were clean with a short tight hunt on ther flier.! :D There is still a lot of Open left to run!

The blind was no little diversion blind, It was a tough son-of-a-gun, run close to the flier. The marks were long and very tight, thrown as a triple
(two retired), not a quad. I was told that the marks were tougher than the opening series marks of the Open last winter in New Orleans that had 120 dogs entered.

That's the problem with big Opens like this one. The judges have to throw something to get the numbers down. I agree that marking is of primary importance but until clubs are willing to host a Restricted when needed, these are the type of setups one can expect. A lot of big name Pros running so the judges have to be tough.
 

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Mr B,
Glad to hear that you did well.
6.4 dogs an hour w/16 called back?
Thats a 25% pass rate, which means that 75% of the dogs FAILED the test . If that % holds it will be Noon on the second day of a three day event with 24 dogs back for the water blind.:roll:
If they don't back off and the % hold, only 6 dogs will be going to the water marks.
If they do back off Whats Up With That :twisted:
Who were the Judges ?
How many dogs out of 64 got to run the Marks/Failed the blind?
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john fallon said:
Mr B,

Thats a 25% pass rate, which means that 75% of the dogs FAILED the test . If that % holds it will be Noon on the second day of a three day event with 24 dogs back for the water blind.:roll:

How many dogs out of 64 got to run the Marks/Failed the blind?
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John, don't forget that is 75% after two series. The land blind then the land marks. It's a little after 3pm on Saturday and they are running the water blind. I don't know where they are with it. I should get a call after my dog runs the water blind. I don't know how many that got dropped had the opportunity to run the marks. I would imagine it was high percentage that got a shot at the marks because of the 6.4 dogs per hour. I saw a 110 dog Open Spring before last in Memphis end at 2:30pm on a Saturday afternoon. I'm not second-guessing the judges because it was the club that failed to use the Restricted tool.

Wait till you see the entry numbers at North Dakota in three weeks and Sioux Valley in four weeks. I'll bet they are well over 120 in the Open!

All the Q results are in and all the placements went to local residents. Someone said that the Minnesota Mafia struck again! :lol:
 

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We haven't runthe water blind yet as of Sunday morning. :wink:

24 dogs called back for the water blind. Got a call last night while I was out for dinner and it was hard to hear and hard to talk. Something about 5 ducks piled on a little island at some distance and the dogs HAVE to take a piece of the island on the downwind side with ducks in plain sight. Then proceed back into the water and on to the blind. I understand that the first few dogs to run failed the blind. I'll get clearer details later and post.
 

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Didn't maker it past the poison birds! :cry:

8 dogs called back to the water marks in the Open. Rorum has 3 or 4, Eckett has 2, Ledford has 1, don't know the others.
 

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It was a aged Open dog test.... Purely mechanical...... From the sound of it, it was "mean"!!!! I would have needed more than a few Excederin after running a dog, much less dogs this weekend. Totally mentally fatiguing

All the placements went to dogs over 6 years of age.

Running a blind before the marks, after watching the marks go down, with a invite to the marks after running the blind, just plain old sucks if you ask me.....

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Angie B said:
It was a aged Open dog test.... Purely mechanical...... From the sound of it, it was "mean"!!!!

All the placements went to dogs over 6 years of age.


Angie
I had the same conversation with a buddy of mine in Mississippi earlier today. There was no way my three year old was going to swim 10 feet downwind of a pile of duck on the water blind. Once he got a snoot full of mallards and saw them laying there, he was gone! If they had thrown a poison bird in the same spot I think we would have been OK. He knows not to get a thrown poison bird. There was a cold honor before the water blind. Those are some nice dogs that placed and there were a bunch of nice dogs that didn't make it through the land marks.
 

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Those are some nice dogs that placed and there were a bunch of nice dogs that didn't make it through the land marks.
Hell they never got to the land marks,,,,,,,,,,,, If your blind was a little loose, it was "seeee Yaaa". To me that's not even close to being fair..... Sets my teeth on edge and makes my blood boil..........

The dogs never had a chance to show what they had..... Except how well they were trained and how much experience they had......

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I know of one dog that the Pro thought the dog ran a really nice blind and got dropped. I think this is a problem of having over 65 entries in an Open. They'll drop you for anything.

On the water blind, some of the ducks that were placed on the island rolled into the water. Not fair for the early dogs (we ran late) who didn't even have to get out of the water to get the poison bird. One of those dogs belongs to an RTF member. Judges told the handler they would consider it and went on.

I understand that the water marks were the easiest part of the Open!
 

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kip said:
and he had a good trial going.
I heard Ledford as well as some others gave the judges hell. Especially after it happen to a local dog too. That's just not fair.
 
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