[Eric Fryer]

In response to the "Would you buy a carrier pup" thread I had a question...

How much of a discount (if any) should a breeder offer for a CNM/ EIC carrier pup? Curious to see responses. I am not a breeder just curious.

I tried a search for a similar thread but my work computer sucks so sorry if its there I just could not find it...

 

[metalone67]

If one parent is clear and other is carrier why would there be a discount. If one parent is affected then the breeding shouldn't have happened and you should move on.
Not sure but I don't think you would know if the pup was affected until it happened and then if there was a puppy contract the breeder would be responsible to with replace or refund.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

If one parent is clear and other is carrier why would there be a discount. If one parent is affected then the breeding shouldn't have happened and you should move on.
Not sure but I don't think you would know if the pup was affected until it happened and then if there was a puppy contract the breeder would be responsible to with replace or refund.

Bcause from previous post some people think carriers carry the plague

 

[metalone67]

Then they can buy elsewhere. Eliminating carriers as breeding prospects is a detriment to the breed as a whole. I'd like to see clear pups go for no less than twice as much to counteract the pettiness.

OOOOOO, there's an idea my pups will be clear, the price just doubled for those scared of a carrier pup. LOL

 

[Billie]

All of my puppies are the same price. If you discount ones, then it feeds people to think theyre getting something of lesser quality. Same with sexes, all the same price! They all eat the same,poop the same and take the same amount of care to socialize , why should we sell them for less?

 

[frontier]

easy peasy....another topic been discussed frequently.. I found these

http://retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77225&highlight=price+difference+carrier
http://retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46739&highlight=pricing+carrier+pups

 

[kjrice]

OOOOOO, there's an idea my pups will be clear, the price just doubled for those scared of a carrier pup. LOL

I recently had a litter and the dam was an EIC carrier. All I know are I wouldn't deal with the pettiness and prices were the same. Also, I could guarantee no pups would be affected. The pups are healthy, good eyes, from parents with excellent hips and normal elbows and owners are very happy; the important things. The game can be played both ways...price them up.

 

[metalone67]

I recently had a litter and the dam was an EIC carrier. All I know are I wouldn't deal with the pettiness and prices were the same. Also, I could guarantee no pups would be affected. The pups are healthy, good eyes, from parents with excellent hips and normal elbows and owners are very happy; the important things. The game can be played both ways...price them up.

Nah I couldn't do that, I believe they will be really great pups at a reasonable price with great health.

 

[kjrice]

It would take a collective effort.

 

[Howard N]

My opinion and only my opinion.

Two puppies from the same litter, one carrier and one clear. Their potential as performance dogs is the same. One can breed to carrier or clear, one cannot. One therefore, is of less value than the other. If you're going to neuter them, then they are of equal value.

 

[firehouselabs]

The problem with "up" pricing the clears, is that the carriers will then again be lower priced, inferring that there is something "wrong" or "inferior" with them since they were not also "up" priced.
I say, same price for every pup, regardless of color, sex, or status...other than affected of course! Same pedigree, same chance at being nothing more then couch potato.
Wonder what the actual ratio of carrier/clear FC and or AFC's is for the last 10-15 yrs....could be real interesting!

 

[firehouselabs]

My opinion and only my opinion.

Two puppies from the same litter, one carrier and one clear. Their potential as performance dogs is the same. One can breed to carrier or clear, one cannot. One therefore, is of less value than the other. If you're going to neuter them, then they are of equal value.

This only applies to the very small percentage of pups that will be breeding dogs....Look how many people claim that they aren't "breeders" and just want a competitive dog.
This is another reason to NOT test a carrier/clear litter. Those few dogs that eventually get used for breeding either due to going to a breeder home or because they became something special- can and will be tested by the person doing the breeding along with the other health clearances. This would eliminate the stigma of the carrier status when selling a litter of pups, it would put the responsibility of the dog's reproductive status back on the owner (since we know how much you like the Limited Reg. option), and maybe people would be picking the pup best suited for their purpose instead of just for the clearance.
There are breeders breeding for the sake of clearances instead of picking the "right" stud for their females. One wonders which litter would be considered more "inferior", the right carrier stud or bitch bred to a clear; or the litter bred for the "clear" health clearances regardless of all the other many factors that go into choosing the stud/bitch pairing.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

If one parent is clear and other is carrier why would there be a discount. If one parent is affected then the breeding shouldn't have happened and you should move on.
Not sure but I don't think you would know if the pup was affected until it happened and then if there was a puppy contract the breeder would be responsible to with replace or refund.

Have you ever heard of Tia? Do you really think she shouldn't be bred?

 

[Janet Kimbrough]

This only applies to the very small percentage of pups that will be breeding dogs....Look how many people claim that they aren't "breeders" and just want a competitive dog.
This is another reason to NOT test a carrier/clear litter. Those few dogs that eventually get used for breeding either due to going to a breeder home or because they became something special- can and will be tested by the person doing the breeding along with the other health clearances. This would eliminate the stigma of the carrier status when selling a litter of pups, it would put the responsibility of the dog's reproductive status back on the owner (since we know how much you like the Limited Reg. option), and maybe people would be picking the pup best suited for their purpose instead of just for the clearance.
There are breeders breeding for the sake of clearances instead of picking the "right" stud for their females. One wonders which litter would be considered more "inferior", the right carrier stud or bitch bred to a clear; or the litter bred for the "clear" health clearances regardless of all the other many factors that go into choosing the stud/bitch pairing.

Excellent post. As long as a pup is not affected, I truly do not care whether the pup I am buy is clear or a carrier. The breeding and pups potential is what should be the most important consideration. JMHO.

Janet

 

[kjrice]

The problem with "up" pricing the clears, is that the carriers will then again be lower priced, inferring that there is something "wrong" or "inferior" with them since they were not also "up" priced.
I say, same price for every pup, regardless of color, sex, or status...other than affected of course! Same pedigree, same chance at being nothing more then couch potato.
Wonder what the actual ratio of carrier/clear FC and or AFC's is for the last 10-15 yrs....could be real interesting!

Agreed and it was said somewhat tongue in cheek. We have a great tool that effectively allows us to eliminate affecteds yet it has become an affront to perfectly healthy dogs.

 

[Angie B]

My opinion and only my opinion.

Two puppies from the same litter, one carrier and one clear. Their potential as performance dogs is the same. One can breed to carrier or clear, one cannot. One therefore, is of less value than the other. If you're going to neuter them, then they are of equal value.

The majority of people don't breed. They say they will, or they think they will or they wish they will but they don't. That's a fact.

Same price no discount.

Angie

 

[Marissa E.]

The majority of people don't breed. They say they will, or they think they will or they wish they will but they don't. That's a fact.

Same price no discount.

Angie

This was my thought; Why does EVERYONE seem to think the dog they buy needs to have potential in the breeding shed? Male or Female.
I really loved the responses from those who said they would buy a carrier bitch but NOT a carrier male. Why? Well the only reason I can see is because they want to make MONEY. And as much as possible at that.

Does anyone (but me) buy a dog just to have a dog and some fun anymore?
Then again, I guess that is why I got the carrier. But, honestly, I wouldn't have it any other way. ;-)

 

[ErinsEdge]

I really loved the responses from those who said they would buy a carrier bitch but NOT a carrier male. Why? Well the only reason I can see is because they want to make MONEY. And as much as possible at that.

The reason is you have more options for breeding your own dogs if the stud is clear. When all the studs are down south, and you have a female that is a carrier, and there is snow and ice and you want a natural breeding, it sure is nice to have an in house stud you can breed to. A miss with frozen or chilled is expensive. If you get an advanced title on a stud you will still be in the hole as far as making money so get over that. Between entrys, training fees, gas, motels, equipment did I say gas? No one wants to breed to a stud that has no title.

 

[John Lash]

This only applies to the very small percentage of pups that will be breeding dogs....Look how many people claim that they aren't "breeders" and just want a competitive dog.
This is another reason to NOT test a carrier/clear litter. Those few dogs that eventually get used for breeding either due to going to a breeder home or because they became something special- can and will be tested by the person doing the breeding along with the other health clearances. This would eliminate the stigma of the carrier status when selling a litter of pups, it would put the responsibility of the dog's reproductive status back on the owner (since we know how much you like the Limited Reg. option), and maybe people would be picking the pup best suited for their purpose instead of just for the clearance.
There are breeders breeding for the sake of clearances instead of picking the "right" stud for their females. One wonders which litter would be considered more "inferior", the right carrier stud or bitch bred to a clear; or the litter bred for the "clear" health clearances regardless of all the other many factors that go into choosing the stud/bitch pairing.

How do you pick the "right" sire?

 

[John Lash]

This was my thought; Why does EVERYONE seem to think the dog they buy needs to have potential in the breeding shed? Male or Female.
I really loved the responses from those who said they would buy a carrier bitch but NOT a carrier male. Why? Well the only reason I can see is because they want to make MONEY. And as much as possible at that.

Does anyone (but me) buy a dog just to have a dog and some fun anymore?
Then again, I guess that is why I got the carrier. But, honestly, I wouldn't have it any other way. ;-)

You might make money from breeding a dog. But you won't make a profit...

When people have the luxury, ability to breed their dog to an FC, AFC, NFC, NAFC. It's available because someone spent a considerable amount of money. I'm sure they also had a great deal of fun too.