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Quick question of the colors that I can expect from an upcoming litter. The expecting mother is Chocolate. Her father was Black and her mother was Chocolate.
The expecting father is yellow. His mother was chocolate and his father was yellow.

ok......what might I expect? Thanks in advance!
 

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If the sire's nose is black, you can expect black and chocolate, with yellows a possibility if the dam carries yellow.

If the sire's nose is brown, you can expect chocolate, and maybe yellow if the dam carries yellow.

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Mom is chocolate but what you don't know is if she carries yellow. Because dad's dam was chocolate, you know that dad carries chocolate.
If mom doesn't carry yellow, pups should be black(byc or black carrying yellow and chocolate) and chocolate (cy or chocolate carrying yellow).
If mom does carry yellow, you have 4 different combinations possible. Black (byc) chocolate (cy), Yellow (yc, yellow carrying chocolate)and yellow with no black pigment (commonly referred to as a Dudley)
There is an excellent color chart to show all combinations at
http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html
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smokin' gun said:
Quick question of the colors that I can expect from an upcoming litter. The expecting mother is Chocolate. Her father was Black and her mother was Chocolate.
The expecting father is yellow. His mother was chocolate and his father was yellow.

ok......what might I expect? Thanks in advance!
You've received some pretty good info to help answer your query. As a suggestion for the future, you should look into the pedigrees before you do the breeding, so you have a better idea of what they'll produce.

At the chance of boring you, my first chocolate dog was a show ring speciman from the Shamrock Acres line of bench champions. His mother was bred to a black FC/AFC. Clyde was a self feeder that stayed at 75 lbs constantly, with a shiney mahogany coat.

A good friend had a yellow female he wanted to breed to Clyde, so he could get a chocolate pup like Clyde. (at the time, Clyde had both MH and HRCH titles, and my friend had been hunting with us, where Clyde excelled at retrieving geese) I was leery of putting a chocolate with a yellow, having heard many horrer stories about the Dudleys that combo produced.

But he insisted, and like a fool, I relented...wondering if Clyde was fertile and capable. The outcome was the best that could have been expected; ten beautiful, healthy puppies...all BLACK. He was dissapointed of course. I was happy we didn't produce any ugly mutts that should be put down. They all ended up at "friends and relatives" homes, and several were fine hunting companions.

The entire experience served notice to me to leave the breeding to the folks that KNOW what they are doing. For all practical purposes, we were nothing better than your basic "puppy mill" type breeder, only we knew when to quit.

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Thank you

idellalabs,

Thank you so much! Your post was exactly what I was looking for....just a reference for what the likely possibilities would be of producing a yellow without digging out the pedigrees.

Sadie delivered 11 beautiful pups last night (6 black and 5 chocolate) which brings me to the conclusion that she = EEbb and the father = eeBb.

Thanks again, this board always seems to be a wealth of knowledge
 
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