Along those lines I think only the third trial should be all O/H and that would fix everything.
The points should be the same I am not suggenting restricting the Pro's from entering, just demanding they own the dogs they enter.rbr said:OK, what kind of points are earned, AFC or FC? Can FC points earned
absent pro competition really fairly be given? IMO no.
O/H Am points would be fine.
I disagree with this and the quality of the stakes should not be affected as a pro trained dog could be ran by his owner, AM or Pro in the Open. In our Circuit, it would be a tough sell to say Gary Unger, Marvin Blount, Ken Neil, Mac or Lynn Dubose, are at any deficit in the open with any of their dogs reguardless of who trained it.eli said:1) Honestly now ~ AS A GENERAL RULE, Amateur trained dogs, run by Amateurs are not as high caliber as a Pro trained dog. So, an amateur gets a win at an OH Open ~ sure he/she would feel GREAT, but what's the downside? An eventual FC that doesn't fully measure up to national caliber competition. Then you throw in the ultimate "breeding frenzy" that happens with a new FC and you begin to dilute the quality of pups for the next generation of field trials.
We hire BB for our trials from a Local FFA group, it works well and I would suggest your clubs looking into it also.eli said:2) Adequate field help @ field trials. Most of the clubs here in the midwest circuit have a very difficult time finding enough help to run their trials run with smooth mechanics. As a judge I can say ~ it makes time management easy when you have good help, so your tests can go off without too many interuptions, etc. The folks I know around here are tired and ready for some good R+R after 2 trials in a year ~ and you all want to add a 3rd? What, have you all lost your collective minds?
The local club members lose when this option is elected.eli said:3) If you really want to limit your numbers - do what RMRC did this fall and throw a Restricted Open . . . it made judging very easy ~ Ted, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe our actual competing number was 57 dogs.
I am not suggesting this change to enticing new blood to the major stakes, however I have no doubt that would happen, will it stop you from entering an event if 10-15 new handlers are in the O/H events, I would still be competing against the best regional dogs we have in the circuit and let me tell you they are awesome.eli said:4) The OPEN and the AMATEUR stakes are not the place to attract "new blood" or "hook someone" into the game. This has generally been reserved for the Derby ~ which is why it starts on a Saturday (generally) and most often gives the young competitor a chance to play for at least 3-4 series . . . green ribbons are encouraged in the Derby so folks who are just beginning, want to come back for more.