But you can't speak to your dog, once you've called for the birds, until released by the judges. So this doesn't sound right to me.I believe a controlled break is if you are able to call your dog back to heal. A break is if he just breaks and you are not able to get himback.
No, if the dogs stops itself without being told it is just a creep. if the dog stops once it is told it is a controlled break. I have seen guys tossed from a master for saying sit once after they have called for the birds because it is now considered a controlled break. Masters = no controlled breaks. However that being said most judges have a barrier that if the dogs cross it they are considered to have broke whether they went or not and whether you had to stop them or not. usually it is is about 15 or 20 feet in front of you.But you can't speak to your dog, once you've called for the birds, until released by the judges. So this doesn't sound right to me.
Someone told me that a controlled break is when a dog starts to go, but then stops itself. But if this is correct, is a controlled break different than creeping?
That would depend on when the dog makes the noice. Is it before birds are thrown on doing. If before, than the hunt is distrubed ,if doing while birds are already being shot not so much.. It really depends on how much noice. Whining is not near as bad as yelping and barking. I have one that will whin on honor but so far not load enough to hurt the working dog. She has had a duo when the working dog started first on a HRC finished test. Working dog started it , so I was not penalized, Judges had a good laugh out of it.I'll second that....great post Eric! I'd like to hear other judges thoughts on this subject (and vocalization which I feel are related due to excitement) in both SH and MH tests. Whining vs yelping vs barking.
Obviously, these are issues I am dealing with and are a constant work in progress. Just would like to know what judges allow /won't allow as we may never be completely quiet at the line. Damn.
In a word yes _but_....imagine what command you would need (command, volume, and inflection) to stop the honor dog moving that would not disturb the working dog.Can you have a controled break on an honor?
I have heard it both ways. Some say, that your only duty as the
honoring dog is to sit there and if your dog breaks (controled or not)
it and you have failed to do what is expected.
The normal effective means of stopping your dog on a break is "SIT". This is reinforced in training by Sit-nick if a dog lifts its but, or "SIT"! with a big correction if the dog breaks in training. In stakes that allow a controlled break a quick "sit" and re-heel will get you back. In AA stakes and Master you still have to stop your dog, but even with a quiet spoken command, it will be considered a controlled break and you are out.My question is for the situation in FTs where dog breaks before being released by judge and handler stops him with voice. I realize there is no controlled break in AA stakes.
How do you use voice and still be within rules?
I assume a booming NO HERE is not allowed.
HERE OK? SIT OK?
I have read p. 31-32 and still don't get a good feel between a break and a "controlled" break.
Just remember to do it in training!A great tool to have.
Why? Whats the difference?Bill:
I write with a very recent experience in the Derby.
The flyer went off.
Baker took off.
I did not receive a number because my dog was not present.
I yelled hear. He came back from 30 yards and immediately came to the mat.
Judge released me because he was now under control.
I sent Baker to the flyer.
Because I did not use any discipline this was allowed.
If I would have yelled No Hear we would have been disqualified.
Hope that helps. Oh yeah we got 2nd in the Derby.
Curious as to how that is lucky? controlled breaks are grounds for elimination in masters. Did they let you keep playing?The first Master I ran w/my HRC dog was a double. First bird went down 180 turn to the right second bird I said here. Judges released the dog and then told me they were going to judge that as a controled break. I apologized and felt lucky. He then lined the blind. Good dog bad handler.