I know you're tongue-in-cheek here, Monty, but I think the purpose of the qual is so you CAN get into the open. It's not for riff-raff ya know. :wink:Monty Willis said:You don't need Derbies unless you have a young dog and want to play.
You probably don't need the Qual either, thats only for dogs and handlers that aren't quite ready for the Am and you probably don't need the Am.
Just go right straight to the Open get your butt beat off every weekend until you've had enough, then give the dog away buy yourself some golf clubs. Then you can sit around patting the new driver on the head, it won't go as straight as your old dog, but your marking skills will improve looking for lost golf balls but the good thing about it is you get to cuss after every shot!
Can anyone really compete in todays derbies without advanced handing to teach concepts?? Personally I think Quals are the place for the new trialer. Too hard for a new amatuer to get a derby dog truly ready to compete in such a short time.fowl hunter said:
Can't speak for all dogs but yes they can compete. I know for a fact that you can still make the Derby list without using a collar or handling.NateB said:Can anyone really compete in todays derbies without advanced handing to teach concepts?? Personally I think Quals are the place for the new trialer. Too hard for a new amatuer to get a derby dog truly ready to compete in such a short time.fowl hunter said:
This is only a problem for the weaker dogs in my experience. I guess I should say " the dogs that can not be competitive in a marking game if blind training is taking place" Therefore, the handler sees it important not to run blinds so that his dog can compete on the weekends. To me, that is a sign of a dog that will not be competetive in all age anyway. So what is the problem? Many dogs run both derby and qual and sometimes the amateur in the same weekend. That is not the sign of a derby dog that is not running blinds in training.
I was a new amatuer trainer in 1998 when I ran my first field trial. It was a derby with a 14 month old dog that made the 3rd series in a 52 dog derby. The next weekend couldn't pull out the last bird in the 4th. The next seven trials jammed. Yes he jammed seven derbies in a row. I still can't understand that. Anyway, first dog, new trialer, running derbies ended up with 12 points in 16 trials with 9 jams, qual all age at 26 months, amatuer jams and one fourth at 3. So I do think that young trainers can be competetive even when running blinds in training if they work hard enough and have something to work with.Too hard for a new amatuer to get a derby dog truly ready to compete in such a short time.
It can be and used to be but current entries do not support this.Lisa S. said:It is an important stepping stone for people who are interested in getting into the FT game.
Derbies are alot of fun. Yes we still need them.Tim Carrion said:Do we still need Derbies?
Is the average 18-24 month old trained only to mark?
Is this still the level which new FTers enter since the advent of HTs?
In this era of shinking grounds and work forces is this a significant stake?