[AmiableLabs]

Does a JAM in the Am earn your dog a QAA?

 

[K G]

Yes.

The dog is then eligible to run a Limited for the rest of its life and a Special for the remainder of that year and all of the next year.

kg

 

[Jason Brion]

This is a good question. Because I have read on the AKC online rule that a 1, 2, 3, or 4 is good for a QAA. But it says nothing about a JAM. In the open it includes the JAM.

Clarification would be good.

 

[Arturo]

I agree with the High Sheriff!
No JAMies in the AMies for QAA.
I am sure K G will clear it up!

Maybe a rule change regards,
But I don't think so.
Arturo

 

[Guest]

Umm, did someone who knows what they're talking about already say yes? If they earn a JAM in the Amateur, they have earned QAA status. And they are still eligible to run Qualifying stakes.

If they earn a JAM in the Open, they have also earned QAA status but can no longer run in the Q.

Clear as mud?

John, please call me and take up all my time as you usually do so I don't have so much time to post on RTF thankyouverymuch.

Melanie

 

[Wyldfire]

Page 22 of the regs:



A Limited All-Age Stake at a Retriever trial shall be for
dogs that have previously been placed or awarded a
Judges’ Award of Merit in an Open All-Age Stake, Limited
All-Age Stake, Special All-Age Stake, Restricted All-Age
Stake, Amateur All-Age Stake, or Owner-Handler Amateur
All-Age Stake carrying Championship points in each case,
or that have been placed first or second in a Qualifying
Stake or an Owner-Handler Qualifying Stake.
A Special All-Age Stake at a Retriever trial shall be
for dogs that, during the period comprised of the previous
calendar year and the current calendar year prior
to the date of closing of entries for such trial, have been
placed or awarded a Judges’ Award of Merit in an Open
All-Age, Limited All-Age, Special All-Age, Restricted All-
Age, Amateur All-Age, or Owner-Handler Amateur All-
Age Stake carrying Championship points in each case, or

 

[Jason Brion]

This is quoted from the rules found on AKC's website.

"A Qualifying Stake, or an Owner Handler Qualifying Stake at a retriever trial shall be for dogs which have never won first, second, third, or fourth place or a JAM in an Open All Age, Limited All Age, Special All Age or a restricted All Age Stake, or won first, second, third or fourth place in an amateur all age stake, or owner handler amateur all age stake, or won two first places in qualifying stakes at licensed or member club trials."

I think this is what Melanie was talking about. As I read closly I can't find where it says that this is the requirement to be QAA but rather the requirements to run a qual.

If anyone can tell us where it specifically talks about what it takes to be QAA I would love to know.

 

[BBnumber1]

First QAA is not a recognised designation by AKC. It really means that a dog is eligible to run in Limited Stakes.

I always thought as several others did that a Jam in the Am does not make the Dog QAA, but after reading WyldFires post I would change my opinion to "Yes it does".

A dog who earns a First or Second in a Qual is considered QAA, because he is eligible to run Limited Stake, but he is also still eligible to run Quals, so eligibility to run Quals and being QAA are not mutually exclusive.

Sooo, QAA is achieved by placing or being awarded a Judges’ Award of Merit in an Open All-Age Stake, Limited All-Age Stake, Special All-Age Stake, Restricted All-Age Stake, Amateur All-Age Stake, or Owner-Handler Amateur All-Age Stake carrying Championship points in each case, or having been placed first or second in a Qualifying Stake or an Owner-Handler Qualifying Stake.

 

[K G]

Threads like this amuse the absolute crap out of me....

They just do.

kg

 

[WRL]

Threads like this amuse the absolute crap out of me....

They just do.

kg

And that it seems to pop up about every six months.

WRL

 

[Jason Brion]

Amusing or not, it does help clear up the rules for those of us that have been enjoying this wonderful sport for a relatively short time. What amuses me is that I didn't think there would ever be a set of rules that made our tax code look easy to understand. And it even comes from the private sector:lol:

 

[K G]

I thought Wyldfire's post, a direct quote from the rulebook, was pretty clear.

"Crystal", as Lt. Caffey said.... :wink:

kg

 

[John Gassner]

Now Keith, you'll have to clarify when a dog can no longer run qualifying stakes. Let someone else attempt it first.

John

 

[Shawn Riggs]

Sooo, QAA is achieved by placing or being awarded a Judges’ Award of Merit in an Open All-Age Stake, Limited All-Age Stake, Special All-Age Stake, Restricted All-Age Stake, Amateur All-Age Stake, or Owner-Handler Amateur All-Age Stake carrying Championship points in each case, or having been placed first or second in a Qualifying Stake or an Owner-Handler Qualifying Stake.

that's how I would interpreter the rule too:

Placing or jamming in an Open, Limited, etc or placing in an amateur is the equivalent to winning two first in the qualifying stakes for qual eligibility.

And jamming in an amateur is the equivalent to placing second in a qualifying stakes. Which would still make the dog QAA.

One case you can continue to run in the Qual and the other you can’t.

 

[WRL]

Placing or jamming in an Open, Limited, etc or placing in an amateur is the equivalent to winning two first in the qualifying stakes for qual eligibility.

And jamming in an amateur is the equivalent to placing second in a qualifying stakes. Which would still make the dog QAA.

One case you can continue to run in the Qual and the other you can’t.

Not quite accurate.

Here's the cliff note version.

To be QAA, you must place or Jam an All-Age Stake (Open/Am and their many versions (o/h ams, etc)) OR place first or second in a Qual.

In order to be QAA and still be able to CONTINUE running the Q, you may jam an AM or place first or second in a Q.

In order to be QAA, but NOT be able to continue running the Q, you have to Place or Jam in an Open (and its variations), PLACE in an AM, or win two Q's.

The significance of the QAA designation, you must have 12 QAA dogs in the All Age stakes in order for Championship points to be awarded.

WRL

 

[Jason Brion]

Placing or jamming in an Open, Limited, etc or placing in an amateur is the equivalent to winning two first in the qualifying stakes for qual eligibility.

And jamming in an amateur is the equivalent to placing second in a qualifying stakes. Which would still make the dog QAA.

One case you can continue to run in the Qual and the other you can’t.

Not quite accurate.

Here's the cliff note version.

To be QAA, you must place or Jam an All-Age Stake (Open/Am and their many versions (o/h ams, etc)) OR place first or second in a Qual.

In order to be QAA and still be able to CONTINUE running the Q, you may jam an AM or place first or second in a Q.

In order to be QAA, but NOT be able to continue running the Q, you have to Place or Jam in an Open (and its variations), PLACE in an AM, or win two Q's.

The significance of the QAA designation, you must have 12 QAA dogs in the All Age stakes in order for Championship points to be awarded.

WRL

Thanks.

 

[Arturo]

Threads like this amuse the absolute crap out of me....

They just do.

kg

You must snicker a lot .... and stink too! :lol: :lol: :lol:

What difference does it make what the rules say. The rules are merely a guideline. They are to be bent, skirted, dodged, ignored, etc. .. as you see fit. Plenty of that discussed right here on this forum. Just read the rules and interpret however you want to ... or need to ... or choose to ... or jus' plain ole whatever ... etc.
Just do whatever you want untill you get busted right here on RTF!!!

Keepinging the Greyhound idling regards,
Arturo

 

[K G]

While all that may work for you, Art, it may not work for everybody.... :wink:

Just sayin'....

kg

 

[John Gassner]

Sheriff, you are mostly correct!!!


John