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I am still getting conflicting information about the "official" AKC position/ Rule relative to using the Dow in the minor stakes for FTs using EE.

Does anyone know where this information/Rule can be found ?

OFFICIALLY speaking regards,

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john fallon said:
I am still getting conflicting information about the "official" AKC position/ Rule relative to using the Dow in the minor stakes for FTs using EE.

Does anyone know where this information/Rule can be found ?

OFFICIALLY speaking regards,

john

This is what Speck told me....

If you would like and if you feel that it would help, you could run a note on EE that says only the All-Age stakes running order are determined by the Dow.

William M. Speck
Asst. Vice President - Performance
919 816 3900 - NC
931 403 4311 - TN
[email protected]
 

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W Knight said:
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Is there an official position on the dow in the Qual and Derby.
White Knight
That is what I would like to know.

I see the letter from Bill Speck that was sent to EE, so it would seem that there is.
What that position is based on, again, it would seem, is his interpretation of the surreptitiously passed rule change that took effect on may 1st that allowed for/legitimized electronic entries.

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Charter and Bylaws of the AKC
Adopted January 5, 1909
Amended to September 14, 2004

Article X: Board of Directors - Specific Powers

Section 4. All matters in dispute as to interpretation of the Rules or Regulations of the AKC shall be submitted to the Board for its construction, which shall be decisive
 

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I wonder from where his interpretation was derived ?
Is it someplace else?
'Cause here it says ANY Stake for the Dow and Stake Carrying Champion points for a rotation.

john

Effective: May 1, 2006
CHAPTER 7. PREMIUM LISTS, ENTRY FORMS,
CLOSING OF ENTRIES, DRAWING OF
ENTRIES
SECTION 1: The place where entries are to be drawn
need not be identical with the place where entries are
received. Each premium list shall specify that the Field
Trial Secretary is to receive entries; clubs have the
option of using an electronic entry service. On-line
entries are subject to the same requirements as mail
entries. Additional requirements or conditions may be
imposed by the on-line service. Such service or club
shall accept paper entries from those not wishing to enter
electronically. A club using an on-line service to accept
entries must so stipulate in the premium list. All on-line
entry instructions should be clearly written. The running
order, for those clubs which choose to use an electronic
service, will be determined by the Dow Jones method as
described in Chapter 14, Section 4(b) of this rule book.


Blue Insert
Issued April 2006
RFTRET (3/06)

CHAPTER 14
RULES FOR
RETRIEVER TRIALS


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SECTION 4. In stakes for Retrievers the order of
running shall be decided by lot at the draw with dogs
handled by the same person being separated when pos-sible
to that extent necessary to avoid delays in the run-ning
of the trial. The Field Trial Secretary and the Field
Trial Committee shall be responsible for ensuring that
the conduct of the draw is public and that the place
assigned to each competing dog is determined by ran-dom
chance insofar as reasonably possible.
In any stake carrying championship points the
Judges shall impose a system of rotation
that will be
applicable to all contestants and will take effect immedi-ately
following the completion of the first series. The
objective of the rotation is to spread the burden or ben-efit
of running early equitably among the competing dogs.
The Judges shall select the particular system of rotation
or be used, and the system selected shall be publicly
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announced by the Judges and/or Marshal before the com-mencement
of the stake to which the rotation will apply.
Insofar as practicable dogs shall be run in the order
of the draw, or in the order of the draw as rotated in
stakes carrying championship points; provided that
departures from the order of the draw are permitted:
(a) When in the opinion of the Judges or the Field
Trail Committee such will result in a reasonable or
desirable saving of time in the conduct of the trial, pro-vided,
however, that whenever decisions regarding a
change in the running order will affect two or more
stakes, the Field Trial Marshal may overrule the judges
and/or the stake marshal and make the final decision as
to such changes in the running order, if any, or ?
This subsection contemplates that the Field Trial
Committee will be responsible for providing effective means
of communication between and among the stakes so that
decisions about departures from the order of the draw that
have an impact on more than one stake can be made, and
conflicts resolved, with proper attention to the priorities
among stakes and to the overall needs of the trial. The
authority of the Field Trial Committee to make the final
decision on departures from the running order in one stake
which may adversely impact another stake shall be exer-cised
by the Field Trial Marshal.
(b) When in the opinion of the Judges such will avoid
unfairness or prejudice to any competing dog resulting
from an event which has occurred in the particular stake.
Notwithstanding the first sentence of this Section 4,
any club may, at its election, provide that the order of
running in any one or more stakes at a trial shall be in
the order of the draw beginning with the dog with the
number given at the draw which corresponds with the
last two digits (including digits, if any, to the right of the
decimal point) of the closing Dow Jones Industrial
Average (the ?DJIA Number?) on the Tuesday immedi-ately
preceding the trial or, if the New York Stock
Exchange is not open for business on such Tuesday,
then on the most recent day prior to such Tuesday when
the New York Stock Exchange is open for business, and
continuing thereafter in numerical sequence. If the DJIA
Number is 00, the dog given number one at the draw
shall be the first running dog. If the DJIA Number is
greater than the number of dogs entered in a stake, the
number equal to the number of dogs entered in such
stake shall be subtracted from the DJIA Number and
such stake shall begin with the dog with the number
given at the draw which corresponds with the number
resulting from such subtraction (the ?Second DJIA
Number?) and continue thereafter in numerical
sequence. If the Second DJIA Number is greater than the...................
 

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It appears to me that there is a misconception among some that the use of the Dow is limited to the AA stakes when in fact it is a Rotation that is so limited.

As passed by the BOD of the AKC via a STAFF PROPOSAL with no advance imput from the Retriever community(at least not by our member club) at large.

The revised Chapter 7 states "The running order, for those clubs which choose to use an electronic service, will be determined by the Dow Jones method as described in Chapter 14, Section 4(b) of this rule book.

There is some ambiguity in chapter 14 section 4b) as to what stakes are required to use the Dow when using An electronic entry service.

As Junbe pointed out it is mandated by the AKC Bylaws(Article X: Board of Directors - Specific Powers Section 4. ) that the BOD clear up this/any ambiguity.

The RR&G excerpts reflecting what I have pointed out are highlighted in red above.

The "Devil" is in the details regards,

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W Knight said:
John

Is there an official position on the dow in the Qual and Derby. We have used the dow and rotated the minor stakes for years.

White Knight
Sorry "WK'
No answers yet :wink:

john
 
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