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in a litter what has been the your rate for eic clears to carriers. sire and dam one is a clear and one is a carrier.
 

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I have bad luck with it and the 3 litters I have tested out of my FC female has been 75% carriers and 25% clears.
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The current litter I have is 66% carrier with one test yet to come. If it is a carrier the litter would be 71% if clear 57%. The first litter with this dam with different stud I tested 5 and all 5 were clear! Go figure?
 

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If we want to rid the breed of EIC then you shouldn't be breeding a carrier at all. There are enough good litters out there from EIC clear parentage.
 

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If we want to rid the breed of EIC then you shouldn't be breeding a carrier at all. There are enough good litters out there from EIC clear parentage.
Get rid of dogs being carriers?? Why?? Do you happen to know what dynamic trait that gene is attached too? You're not going to eliminate just one characteristic when you eliminate EIC.

Good enough,,, is totally subjective.

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If we want to rid the breed of EIC then you shouldn't be breeding a carrier at all. There are enough good litters out there from EIC clear parentage.
so if grady was a carrier chad should of snipt him and the same goes for lean mac, patton .and even harley. they should of spayed lottie to then ? what a dandy. your dog doesn't have any of these dogs in there pedigree?
 

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What a small gene pool we would have if carriers were culled! No lean mac, lottie, tank, where do you stop? I am planning on keeping a pup from my litter, sure it has crossed my mind to make sure I take a clear, but I would rather have a competitve carrier than a lazy clear! If I end up breeding that female later, sure it will be tougher to sell carriers, not because they are less dog, but people don't want to have to deal with selling carrier pups, everyone then wants a discount! I got the eic results on my litter yesturday, and debated if it should help me pick one. Just answered my own question, Thanks, Gary
 

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Get rid of dogs being carriers?? Why?? Do you happen to know what dynamic trait that gene is attached too? You're not going to eliminate just one characteristic when you eliminate EIC.

Good enough,,, is totally subjective.

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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.
 

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Robbie bickleys yellow dog skeeter is a carrier and it's a shame more people don't breed to him. He is not even 7 I think and has missed almost 2 yrs of training and has accumulated 98AA points and a double header and racking up open points being amateur handled. No telling how many points he would have if he didnt have an injury not to mention all the nationals he has qualified for .Some great dogs are carriers. Ali is a carrier and I would take a carrier pup out of him in a heartbeat.
 

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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.
so can you post the pedigree of your dog or dogs?
 

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What a small gene pool we would have if carriers were culled! No lean mac, lottie, tank, where do you stop? I am planning on keeping a pup from my litter, sure it has crossed my mind to make sure I take a clear, but I would rather have a competitve carrier than a lazy clear! If I end up breeding that female later, sure it will be tougher to sell carriers, not because they are less dog, but people don't want to have to deal with selling carrier pups, everyone then wants a discount! I got the eic results on my litter yesturday, and debated if it should help me pick one. Just answered my own question, Thanks, Gary
If someone buys a carrier female from you, and she is bred in a couple of years, will she have to be retested for EIC with a registered name, chip number...? Or did you get individual certificates for each puppy? Just curious how that works?
 
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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.
I hear you brother. I will miss you posting tomorrow since you will be at church, but look forward to hearing from you on Monday.
 

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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.
Why would EIC be on the rise in field trial bred labs?
 

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Because people want the lightning bolt of a dog and don't mind if its EIC
Uh, what? What's lightning bolt got to do with EIC and who wants to train a lightning bolt anyway? Do you realize how difficult it is to handle a dog that moves at the speed of light? Do you mean affected or carrier when you say "its EIC"? Please expound on your rather cryptic statement there.
 

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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.
You need to educate yourself by reading the U of MN website for breeding. EIC has been found in all types of Labradors, show, European, and back yard bred. The folks here are using the testing properly and the sky is not falling. Of course there are a couple of people here that will join in and back your theory but HOW do you know the breed will become stronger? What are your credentials for studying genetic diseases? Why is testing and not producing affected pups causing affected EIC individuals to rise in field Labradors? How do you know that eliminating the gene won't lead to a worse genetic condition? Do a search and you will find out this babble has been brought up about once a month. The positive part is more people are understanding and they realize that you will never eliminate the gene because there are tons of people that breed and don't even do OFAs and who have never heard of EIC, and wouldn't spend the money to test anyway. That's where you should direct your energy.
 

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EIC is not a characteristic, it is a hereditary muscle disorder which is on the rise in field trial bred labradors because people refuse to test or continue to breed affected or carrier parents. It's not like a EIC carrier has some unique characteristic that make them better field trial dogs. By breeding EIC out of our breed will only make it stronger not weeker.[/QUOTE

Ughhh. I hate these kind of statements. Can you clarify exactly what is on the rise? Instances of dogs doing down in HT's and FT's becuase they are EIC affected? Or the number of dogs now known as carriers? And can you also tell us where you are getting your information of what it is you say is on the rise??


Back to the OP question - we have a litter of 10 right now. We got 5/5.
 
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