[DRAKEHAVEN]

Eic

Anybody have knowledge of Chocolates with EIC ?

Not looking for particular dogs.
Just wondering, seems all the dogs that I have heard about are non chocolate.

John
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[MJT1977]

In all the studying I have done I haven't heard of one. Of course that doesn't mean they aren't out there. Interesting question I would like to hear more about them, if any, also.

Not to hijack but,

On a similar note, in my studying there are a few dogs that pop up regularly when EIC is confirmed but yet nothing changes in the breeding of that dog (stud or bitch). It seems the test, until it is complete, is just an excuse to keep on breeding. All I hear is the same thing "Prove it is genetic and I'll quit breeding". Wouldn't you think after 2 or 3 pups are produced with it from the same dog from different matings a light bulb would go on. I mean really, any other animal ie:cattle, hogs, goats, sheep, birds, rabbits you name it, if it produces a fault twice they are eliminated even with out a test. Why is this not happening in the labrador world???

Marty :

 

[MaLabhuntr]

In all the studying I have done I haven't heard of one. Of course that doesn't mean they aren't out there. Interesting question I would like to hear more about them, if any, also.

Not to hijack but,

On a similar note, in my studying there are a few dogs that pop up regularly when EIC is confirmed but yet nothing changes in the breeding of that dog (stud or bitch). It seems the test, until it is complete, is just an excuse to keep on breeding. All I hear is the same thing "Prove it is genetic and I'll quit breeding". Wouldn't you think after 2 or 3 pups are produced with it from the same dog from different matings a light bulb would go on. I mean really, any other animal ie:cattle, hogs, goats, sheep, birds, rabbits you name it, if it produces a fault twice they are eliminated even with out a test. Why is this not happening in the labrador world???

Marty :

Dollars, cents would be my guess.

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

Anybody know of 1 choco dog with EIC ?

Just one ? Anybody ?
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[2Blackdogs!]

Have heard of a Choco that sired a pup displaying eic symptoms-but do not know if the pup itself was choco or not.

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAHHH

My theory remains in tact.
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[rjouben]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


~rj

 

[MJT1977]

Nope Nada Nothin"

Marty

 

[Katie Minor]

EIC in Chocolate labs

I work at the University of MN doing EIC research. We are now quite close to identifiying the gene that is responsible for EIC. In our study we have all colors of labs, including chocolates that are affected with EIC. Coat color and EIC are not linked traits, so it is possible for a chocolate lab to have EIC.
Hope this answers your question.
Katie Minor, RN

 

[Kyle B]

Re: yes in deed

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAHHH
My theory remains in tact.

I work at the University of MN doing EIC research. We are now quite close to identifiying the gene that is responsible for EIC. In our study we have all colors of labs, including chocolates that are affected with EIC. Coat color and EIC are not linked traits, so it is possible for a chocolate lab to have EIC.
Hope this answers your question.
Katie Minor, RN

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

OK show me one. Give me areal live person with a real live dog.


Katie have you ever personally seen a chocolate have an EIC "episode"

John
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[Kyle B]

Re: scienific fact

OK show me one. Give me areal live person with a real live dog.


Katie have you ever personally seen a chocolate have an EIC "episode"

John

http://www.thelabradorclub.com/library/eicstudy.html

Sue Taylor (DVM) sites it in this article also. Her contact info is at the bottom of the article, she may be able to answer your questions regarding color and EIC, but it seems that EIC is an equal opportunity offender according to the experts.

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

Kyle,

I have read the article AND talked to the good Dr.

What I asked was has Katie ever seen one personally, has anyone here ?
Have you ?
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[Kyle B]

Re: still waiting

Kyle,

I have read the article AND talked to the good Dr.

What I asked was has Katie ever seen one personally, has anyone here ?
Have you ?

John:

I have never witnessed EIC in any dog except the video that someone put up a few months ago on youtube of their puppy. I understood what you asked of Katie, but I doubt she will tell you a specific dog if she has witnessed it or tested for it as there was an anonymity clause with submissions in their study (but I think you already knew that, right?).

Out of curiosity, what did Sue Taylor say?

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

I'm not looking to point the finger at a specific dog or person. So I could careless about specifics.

This was years ago and the conversation was brief but the fact was no witnessed chocolates. Data from owners of choco's but EIC to the untrained eye can be mistaken. I'm a skeptic in general.

My theory here is that the genetically inferior chocolate dog does not have as part of it's gene package EIC inducing genes.

Just looking to be wrong. But want 1st hand observations.

John
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Jaguar SS100 history

 

[Kyle B]

Re: mystery

I understand where you are coming from.

I guess the idea that it could be present (or is present) relates to how color is determined. If it is present in Black Labs, it can be present in Chocolates and Yellows. I believe it would be a different response if we where discussing different breeds.

 

[DRAKEHAVEN]

Ya Don't get me wrong. I value all the hard work being done.

It is a very interesting subject that is not exclusive to canines.

John
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