I don't understand what this means. If the dog went to the pile when you did FTP, and the dog to casts in simple casting, he should take to the mini T. Deal with refusals at per your program.Yes been through force to pile work, been running pattern blinds followed Evans program up to force to pile work, then been keeping pace with the training group
I any of this happens on the T, you aren't doing it correctly.I am of the opinion that the drill isn't as important as the skill it develops. The tee is a tough one for many dogs because in essence we lie to them repeatedly while running it. Smart dogs know you are just going to stop them to handle to a different location than where you lined them initially and if they are keen, they will line themselves up to one of the side piles in anticipation, then when you get them straightened for the back pile you prove they were correct and you stop them to cast in a direction 90* to the line they are on.
If your dog is frustrated by Tee work but liked 3 legged blind drills send them on line to one pile then cast them at a point where a left or right over gets them to a different pile, perhaps because of the wider spread of this pattern it seems not to produce the same confusion and sense of being lied to as in the Tee. The skill we are developing in a young dog is stopping to a whistle command and taking a cast at distance from you, you can always go back to the tee once these mechanics are in place, if you still wish....but by that time you may just have what you want in a handling dog already.
I question the thoroughness of the force work of a dog that won't go under any circumstances. I've been in this position in times past when a trainer had gone through the steps, but had not truly adequately completed force work. It's not like he has a choice unless this is true. How do you feel about that? Do you think there may be a deficit there?Yes been through force to pile work, been running pattern blinds followed Evans program up to force to pile work, then been keeping pace with the training group
Got a dog that will be a year old this week, BLM, and we tried for a few days in row to start the double t. Refuses to even go to the back pile a few bumpers into it.
What do you guys do to work around this issue.
You don't have to do the TT at all, so I'd say none. But a new person attempting to get, what we call, a finished dog by haphazzardly doing drills to build this skill and that skill will likely not be successful. And I'd bet money that they wouldn't be as succesful as if they had followed an established, comprehensive program to the letter.how many dogs should a person have put through a double T afore they are allowed to look at other drills?
This is the way I see it as well.Seems clear that the OP started out with some training plan or "program", which includes TT (he says he uses Smartwork).
But then he fell into the common trap of meeting up with his buddies/training group and disregarding the system he was following and trying to do what the rest of the group was doing, without the necessary prerequisites. Now he's wondering why his dog won't do TT even though he's a year old.
Won't work well.